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by conebeckham
Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:39 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 856
Views: 12236

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

You know, the more I reflect on your last post I have to question your statement that conventional truth is not the object of analysis. If Madhyamaka is soteriogical, and meant for ignorant sentient beings, what other level of "reality" could possibly be the grist? That which is thought to...
by conebeckham
Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:19 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 856
Views: 12236

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

But if what you want to is boil water in it, then it's lack of ultimate own-being is neither here nor there. Yes, and this is why refuting only inherent existence rather that all four extremes misses the mark. Someone who has realized emptiness does not need a pot to boil water. But the idea that i...
by conebeckham
Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:10 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 856
Views: 12236

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

I understand it perfectly well. For example, when Tsongkhapa claims in Lam rim Chen mo that freedom from extremes means "not existing in the ultimate and not not existing in the relative," this terminology is incorrect. This means that the ultimate is only a negation of existence and the ...
by conebeckham
Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:33 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 856
Views: 12236

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

Oh--point 3:
Only Buddhas can actually ascertain the limits of appearing phenomena.

This means that, even on the level of worldly people, some conditioned phenomena cannot be "known," even on the level of convention. Examples: others minds, karmic traces.
by conebeckham
Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:11 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 856
Views: 12236

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

Wayfarer- Two thoughts: 1. We can also say things are not unreal, as well as "things are unreal." No Madhyamaka person asserts a complete "nonreality" or "unreality." The reason stressing "lack of reality" is appropriate is because of the assumption of existen...
by conebeckham
Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:02 am
Forum: Mahamudra
Topic: Mahamudra same as Shikantaza
Replies: 68
Views: 1137

Re: Mahamudra same as Shikantaza

Why do you say that? Certainly, for Dzogchen, we can say this...but I think the "referent" pointed out in Dzogchen is, maybe, potentially, a bit different. I'm parroting Kongtrul. Everything up to SemDe does not go "beyond mind." longDe, and especially MenNgakDe (Nyingthik), do,...
by conebeckham
Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:13 am
Forum: Gelug
Topic: What Tsongkhapa said
Replies: 80
Views: 1514

Re: What Tsongkhapa said

I'm not saying it's the only system or a universal "best" system. But it has been the best system for me. And I agree with cloudburst that it would be interesting to hear how Nagarjuna and Chandrakirti mean something different in the passages where they use "inherent existence" ...
by conebeckham
Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:04 am
Forum: Mahamudra
Topic: Mahamudra same as Shikantaza
Replies: 68
Views: 1137

Re: Mahamudra same as Shikantaza

While I appreciate Malcolm's position, and find a fair amount of pedagogical efficacy in it, the fact of the matter is that, in Kagyu traditions at least--those traditions who are most closely associated with "Mahamudra Lineages," --we call every technique that involves "mind" as...
by conebeckham
Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:39 pm
Forum: Gelug
Topic: What Tsongkhapa said
Replies: 80
Views: 1514

Re: What Tsongkhapa said

It's really simple. You examine your own experience having read the description of what inherent existence is and see if it matches up. It does. Nonsense. As evidenced by this, and other, threads here, it's apparent that inherent existence or inherence, "Svabhava," རང་བཞིན་ ("rang zh...
by conebeckham
Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:47 pm
Forum: Gelug
Topic: What Tsongkhapa said
Replies: 80
Views: 1514

Re: What Tsongkhapa said

Since this is a core position of Je tsongkhapa, you would need to understand it to understand his position. You are avoiding the question. How do you prove that inherent existence appears to all sentient beings, at all times, except for aryas in equipoise? It's one thing to understand whether or no...
by conebeckham
Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:53 pm
Forum: Mahamudra
Topic: Mahamudra same as Shikantaza
Replies: 68
Views: 1137

Re: Mahamudra same as Shikantaza

With respect to Mahāmudra, it is simply wrong. If that is wrong, then what do you consider all the methods transmitted under the label of Mahamudra, particularly the techniques of calming and insight? Common śamatha and vipaśayāna are engaged in by those who have no experience of the nature of the ...
by conebeckham
Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:22 pm
Forum: Kagyu
Topic: What is the Kagyu assertion of how conventional phenomena exists?
Replies: 6
Views: 276

Re: What is the Kagyu assertion of how conventional phenomena exists?

I'm not sure there's a standard answer to your question, frankly, as there's no "orthodox Kagyu interpretation" that all Kagyupas ascribe to...but I think it's safe to say that phenomena are mere appearances to minds, and they have no ontological status. Whether they are separable from min...
by conebeckham
Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:30 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 856
Views: 12236

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

iI can assure you that I would not argue for the sake of arguing. Neither would I refuse to admit that I was wrong if I had posted a critique of your theory. I just think that it is hugely, distractingly , irrelevant to those who turn to the Dharma as a means of ending their suffering. That is the ...
by conebeckham
Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:14 am
Forum: Gelug
Topic: What Tsongkhapa said
Replies: 80
Views: 1514

Re: What Tsongkhapa said

By all accounts, at the time of Dolpopa, Dolpopa himself was like a rock star...carried everywhere on a chair, people literally fell under him, and there were scenes of unbridled enthusiasm, it it said. It was a crazy scene. So......there's that, for a sober monk to contemplate.
by conebeckham
Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:00 am
Forum: Gelug
Topic: What Tsongkhapa said
Replies: 80
Views: 1514

Re: What Tsongkhapa said

But I still consider it a good base and I have found the attacks on the Gelug position here very disconcerting. It is normal. The Gelugpas engaged in the suppression of other religion traditions for centuries. This is not a very mature position. I agree that the tone of attacks on the Gelug positio...
by conebeckham
Wed Jan 04, 2017 6:27 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Life history of Maitripa ?
Replies: 13
Views: 826

Re: Life history of Maitripa ?

It is a pity how much Maitripa was pushed to the side in Kagyu lineage, when he was in fact the root guru of Marpa. There is not even any extensive namthar and I have not come across any praise, prayer or guruyoga. It is such a shame. Also quite strange given how much Kagyupas owe him and the fact ...
by conebeckham
Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:29 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 856
Views: 12236

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

Bakmoon wrote:
conebeckham wrote:Well, what is the object that bears the designation?

'Table' is designated on appearances.

Accepted only at the level of convention, of worldly people, correct? In other words, both the appearance, and the imputed concept, are thoroughly false?
by conebeckham
Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:07 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 856
Views: 12236

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

All Madhyamikas, both Gelug and non-Gelug, regard the terms "inherent existence", "true existence", "existence from its own side", and "findability under analysis" as being synonyms, and that includes Malcolm. The issue is not whether or not inherent existenc...
by conebeckham
Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:58 pm
Forum: Gelug
Topic: What Tsongkhapa said
Replies: 80
Views: 1514

Re: What Tsongkhapa said

Lest I be an object of resentment, let me just say a few things here in the Geluk forum. (Though if others wish to make me an object of resentment, on reflection, I suppose that's okay too.... :smile: ) Put into simple words, I think the difference between TsongKhapa's innovation and what we may cal...
by conebeckham
Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:47 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics
Replies: 856
Views: 12236

Re: How Madhyamika Philosophy Solves the Mystery of Quantum Physics

All Madhyamikas, both Gelug and non-Gelug, regard the terms "inherent existence", "true existence", "existence from its own side", and "findability under analysis" as being synonyms, and that includes Malcolm. The issue is not whether or not inherent existenc...

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