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- Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:37 pm
- Forum: Dzogchen
- Topic: Jes Bertelsen?
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Re: Jes Bertelsen?
Namaskar, Barney that is a well found quotation in a very inspiring chapter. It seems almost opposite of the one of Jes Bertelsen. But I think especially in teachings the quotations depends on the context of whom the listeners are. To whom is Jes Bertelsen speaking to and to whom is Tulku Urgyen spe...
- Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:49 pm
- Forum: Dzogchen
- Topic: Jes Bertelsen?
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Re: Jes Bertelsen?
You know Henrik I know nothing about Jes and his methods. What I know about Dzogchen is that even if ngondro is called a preliminary it really isn't a preliminary to pointing-out/direct introduction even if some Lamas do it like that. But not Tulku Urgyen nor any of his sons do it like that. Like t...
- Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:20 pm
- Forum: Dzogchen
- Topic: Jes Bertelsen?
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Re: Jes Bertelsen?
Thank you Barney for your summing the thread up so excellent. I don't agree with that the examination so far has been thorough enough to conclude that the root are different (I will gladly find more precise quotes about what he says about the root in other books, if you are curious about them). I al...
- Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:19 pm
- Forum: Dzogchen
- Topic: Jes Bertelsen?
- Replies: 128
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Re: Jes Bertelsen?
asunthatneversets wrote: Dzogchen doesn't posit a unified source-consciousness that creates everything, for Dzogchen, 'everything' is a product of delusion and arises out of confusion. When that delusion is resolved, phenomena are resolved and realized to be non-arisen. Bertelsen appears to be conce...
- Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:50 pm
- Forum: Dzogchen
- Topic: Jes Bertelsen?
- Replies: 128
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Re: Jes Bertelsen?
Thank you, asunthatneversets. An excellent clarification for sharpening experiential understanding. asunthatneversets wrote: The nature of mind is the inseparability of emptiness and clarity. A state free of thought is simply resting in clarity. Clarity must be recognized as empty for recognition o...
- Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:53 am
- Forum: Dzogchen
- Topic: Jes Bertelsen?
- Replies: 128
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Re: Jes Bertelsen?
Perhaps his direct recognition of the natural state was stable for a period of 20 minutes, but that wouldn't constitute a complete stability. Those who are irreversibly stable in the natural state upon first recognition of vidyā are called chikcharwas [cig-car-ba], there hasn't been a chikcharwa fo...
- Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:04 am
- Forum: Dzogchen
- Topic: Jes Bertelsen?
- Replies: 128
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Re: Jes Bertelsen?
Btw there is a article about Jes Bertelsen in wikipedia, which from my perspective seems quite good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes_Bertelsen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes_Bertelsen
- Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:24 am
- Forum: Dzogchen
- Topic: Jes Bertelsen?
- Replies: 128
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Re: Jes Bertelsen?
I have very little knowledge about Dzogchen compared with others here. I have no idea about what a fully accomplished Dzogchen teacher is. But from what I have heard there are some simple criterias, one of them being, how stable the natural state is in the student when it is transmitted to the stude...
- Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:13 pm
- Forum: Dzogchen
- Topic: Jes Bertelsen?
- Replies: 128
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Re: Jes Bertelsen?
I find both these claims entirely implausible: 1. that Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche in fact authorized Bertelsen to teach Dzogchen, and 2. that the way Bertelsen is carrying on is to transmitting Dzogchen to anyone regardless of culture*. Ok, that is how you position yourself, and then you cannot of cours...
- Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:16 am
- Forum: Dzogchen
- Topic: Jes Bertelsen?
- Replies: 128
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Re: Jes Bertelsen?
Ups, i wrote: Probably the reason is that he does want to impose a belief (which it seems to be for many western Buddhists) - it has to be seen. I missed an essential word. What I wa saying was: Probably the reason is that he does NOT want to impose a belief (which it seems to be for many western Bu...
- Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:25 pm
- Forum: Dzogchen
- Topic: Jes Bertelsen?
- Replies: 128
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Re: Jes Bertelsen?
Hello This attitude of being so skeptical from the outset in some parts of this thread seems unclear and unnessecary - even though I agree that emphasis on Christianity is strange because in the book itself it does not have this emphasis. It surely does not impose any Christian beliefs, it is more c...