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Re: The scary truth about pharmaceutical medicine.

... Proponents of western medicine frequently denigrate the effects of other forms of medicine by some variation of "that was probably just the placebo effect". Without realizing that much of the success of western medicine stems also, from the placebo effect. In fact I heard a statistic, ...
by Jesse
Sun May 11, 2014 4:25 pm
 
Forum: Media
Topic: The scary truth about pharmaceutical medicine.
Replies: 14
Views: 374

Re: The scary truth about pharmaceutical medicine.

Proponents of western medicine frequently denigrate the effects of other forms of medicine by some variation of "that was probably just the placebo effect". Without realizing that much of the success of western medicine stems also, from the placebo effect. In fact I heard a statistic, ...
by Myoho-Nameless
Sun May 11, 2014 1:37 am
 
Forum: Media
Topic: The scary truth about pharmaceutical medicine.
Replies: 14
Views: 374

Re: Validity of recorded empowerments

... To say that it is not falsifiable experientially in this way is to say the Dharma is effectively not a living tradition and is nothing more than a placebo. Take it up with Malcolm, not me. I doubt he will take exception with it. I imagine (guess) that the experiment could be abbreviated. If it ...
by smcj
Sat May 03, 2014 7:35 pm
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Validity of recorded empowerments
Replies: 357
Views: 6336

Re: Validity of recorded empowerments

... To say that it is not falsifiable experientially in this way is to say the Dharma is effectively not a living tradition and is nothing more than a placebo. Take it up with Malcolm, not me.
by Sherab Dorje
Sat May 03, 2014 6:16 pm
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Validity of recorded empowerments
Replies: 357
Views: 6336

Re: Validity of recorded empowerments

... To say that it is not falsifiable experientially in this way is to say the Dharma is effectively not a living tradition and is nothing more than a placebo.
by smcj
Sat May 03, 2014 5:27 pm
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Validity of recorded empowerments
Replies: 357
Views: 6336

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

... to be allowed by physicalists, because all causation is supposed to flow 'up' from the material substrate. But as psychosomatic medicine, the placebo effect, and other such phenomena show, in fact an idea or belief can have physical consequences. And ideas, as such, are not physical objects, ...
by Wayfarer
Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:41 am
 
Forum: Mahamudra
Topic: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind
Replies: 460
Views: 4941

Re: How do you experience PL?

... life. I think when you experience the infinite light of wisdom and the embrace of infinite compassion for all life, then you know. Nosta - real or placebo doesn't matter if it works.
by PorkChop
Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:03 pm
 
Forum: Pure Land
Topic: How do you experience PL?
Replies: 49
Views: 899

Re: How do you experience PL?

... I dont know. Also, when I have a good practice (days and days saying many times a day the Amitabha name) I will feel much more peaceful. Is that a placebo effect? A real stuff (so to say)?
by Nosta
Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:48 pm
 
Forum: Pure Land
Topic: How do you experience PL?
Replies: 49
Views: 899

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... also lead thoughts. Does CBT have room for both? I am wondering if shamatha would be superior. If properly taught it has few cues and little placebo effect while giving direct experience of how ones mind works. Buddhism can also cure ones moral injuries. It is also pay what you want. It seems ...
by Nemo
Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:16 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... making the same mistakes the field has always made and refusing to face the truth. Most of the modern psychiatric drugs were not tested against placebo in double blind trials. To the best of my knowledge since double blind was made the standard not a single new drug has been introduced. In the ...
by Nemo
Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:24 am
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... at teaching lessons and helping people to see whats happening in their mind. So of the third who are successful, some of them are sure to be placebo effect and some are legitimate fixes. At the same time its all placebo due to dependent origination. Whatever works, works. Thats just the pragmatic ...
by wisdom
Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:41 am
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... you are dumb. The main thesis is most psychological/psychiatric interventions from psychiatric drugs to Gestalt therapy are not much better than placebo in double blind controlled trials. This is why new drugs are not forthcoming. The drug trials must include placebo now. How has the field gotten ...
by Nemo
Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:24 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

Perhaps if you could explain why it works that could be helpful. I see that it does not work as a treatment modality and has nothing like A&P to diagnose causes. Why doesn't it work better than placebo in double blind trials?
by Nemo
Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:45 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

Nitpicking and using credentials is not meeting the argument. You understand the thesis. I don't care what kind of astrology you practice. Prove that it works and is not a placebo.
by Nemo
Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:16 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... illness in the first place. This is not happening because they cannot admit how little they know or they would lose the palliative effect of placebo. The discipline is trapped. It cannot change without a massive loss of prestige. So massive it may not even survive.
by Nemo
Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:12 am
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... fake boobs at least that is honest money. I don't want to waste resources. Without confronting the problem things can't get better. Pretending placebos are helpful will never lead to better outcomes or actual healing. The medicine I practice works even if you don't believe in it. Well, I don't ...
by Johnny Dangerous
Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:01 am
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... and one i've dealt with myself. It's my understanding there are medical treatments well outside of mental health that aren't much better than placebo, so this isn't a charge that can be leveled only at Psychology/Psychiatry. In addition, mistaking one etiology for another at the expense of ...
by AlexanderS
Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:40 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... and one i've dealt with myself. It's my understanding there are medical treatments well outside of mental health that aren't much better than placebo, so this isn't a charge that can be leveled only at Psychology/Psychiatry. In addition, mistaking one etiology for another at the expense of ...
by Johnny Dangerous
Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:29 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... based on science. I work in front line healthcare and thought they must be useful or at least did no harm. They are better than nothing, but a placebo is better than nothing and is as effective in the majority of double blind controlled trials. This is troubling. The entire field needs to admit ...
by AlexanderS
Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:54 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... based on science. I work in front line healthcare and thought they must be useful or at least did no harm. They are better than nothing, but a placebo is better than nothing and is as effective in the majority of double blind controlled trials. This is troubling. The entire field needs to admit ...
by Nemo
Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:58 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2670
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