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Re: Psychotherapy & Dharma - Borders & Overlaps

In our health system no treatment that has not been tested against placebo and had a significantly higher success rate will be paid for by health insurence. They'll find a way to if the insurance and pharmaceutical cartels are corrupt, or manipulate the testing ...
by Lhug-Pa
Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:04 pm
 
Forum: Open Dharma
Topic: Pharmaceuticala and the Dharma
Replies: 11
Views: 90

Re: Psychotherapy & Dharma - Borders & Overlaps

Perhaps the boosters of the industry can explain why antidepressants or talk therapy work no better than placebo? . That's utter nonsense. In our health system no treatment that has not been tested against placebo and had a significantly higher success rate will be paid for ...
by theanarchist
Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:10 pm
 
Forum: Open Dharma
Topic: Pharmaceuticala and the Dharma
Replies: 11
Views: 90

Re: Psychotherapy & Dharma - Borders & Overlaps

Perhaps the boosters of the industry can explain why antidepressants or talk therapy work no better than placebo? . That's utter nonsense. In our health system no treatment that has not been tested against placebo and had a significantly higher success rate will be paid for ...
by Nemo
Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:28 am
 
Forum: Open Dharma
Topic: Pharmaceuticala and the Dharma
Replies: 11
Views: 90

Re: Psychotherapy & Dharma - Borders & Overlaps

Nemo wrote:Perhaps the boosters of the industry can explain why antidepressants or talk therapy work no better than placebo? .



That's utter nonsense. In our health system no treatment that has not been tested against placebo and had a significantly higher success rate will be paid for by health insurence.
by theanarchist
Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:47 am
 
Forum: Open Dharma
Topic: Pharmaceuticala and the Dharma
Replies: 11
Views: 90

Pharmaceuticala and the Dharma

Perhaps the boosters of the industry can explain why antidepressants or talk therapy work no better than placebo? The most useful innovations coming down the pipe in psychiatry are peptide therapies plagiarized from neuroscience and endocrinology. The most therapeutic advances ...
by Nemo
Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:05 pm
 
Forum: Open Dharma
Topic: Pharmaceuticala and the Dharma
Replies: 11
Views: 90

Re: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind

... to be allowed by physicalists, because all causation is supposed to flow 'up' from the material substrate. But as psychosomatic medicine, the placebo effect, and other such phenomena show, in fact an idea or belief can have physical consequences. And ideas, as such, are not physical objects, ...
by jeeprs
Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:41 am
 
Forum: Mahamudra
Topic: Mahamudra meditation problem: locating the mind
Replies: 421
Views: 3708

Re: How do you experience PL?

... life. I think when you experience the infinite light of wisdom and the embrace of infinite compassion for all life, then you know. Nosta - real or placebo doesn't matter if it works.
by PorkChop
Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:03 pm
 
Forum: Pure Land
Topic: How do you experience PL?
Replies: 49
Views: 728

Re: How do you experience PL?

... I dont know. Also, when I have a good practice (days and days saying many times a day the Amitabha name) I will feel much more peaceful. Is that a placebo effect? A real stuff (so to say)?
by Nosta
Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:48 pm
 
Forum: Pure Land
Topic: How do you experience PL?
Replies: 49
Views: 728

Re: Make Life Meaningless

... comment. I don't know what this means or what you're trying to say. You are in effect saying that Dharma is not really a medicine, it's just a placebo. I wrote in my last post to you that meaning is essential, and that religion offers meaning. Placebos are not essential. Food is essential. ...
by shel
Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:13 am
 
Forum: Open Dharma
Topic: Make Life Meaningless
Replies: 1074
Views: 9658

Re: Make Life Meaningless

... forum that is an unsafe assumption to have accepted without comment. You are in effect saying that Dharma is not really a medicine, it's just a placebo. It is what I meant earlier when I said you were "eating the menu instead of the dinner."
by smcj
Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:35 am
 
Forum: Open Dharma
Topic: Make Life Meaningless
Replies: 1074
Views: 9658

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... also lead thoughts. Does CBT have room for both? I am wondering if shamatha would be superior. If properly taught it has few cues and little placebo effect while giving direct experience of how ones mind works. Buddhism can also cure ones moral injuries. It is also pay what you want. It seems ...
by Nemo
Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:16 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2615

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... making the same mistakes the field has always made and refusing to face the truth. Most of the modern psychiatric drugs were not tested against placebo in double blind trials. To the best of my knowledge since double blind was made the standard not a single new drug has been introduced. In the ...
by Nemo
Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:24 am
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2615

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... at teaching lessons and helping people to see whats happening in their mind. So of the third who are successful, some of them are sure to be placebo effect and some are legitimate fixes. At the same time its all placebo due to dependent origination. Whatever works, works. Thats just the pragmatic ...
by wisdom
Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:41 am
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2615

Re: Evolution and reincarnation

... that forward as a serious proposition. I just find it personally pleasing to look at it that way. What it does for me is give me some sort of placebo explanation that allows me to set aside the question with an esthetic and poetic satisfaction. That's all I need in order to get on with things ...
by smcj
Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:26 pm
 
Forum: Open Dharma
Topic: Evolution and reincarnation
Replies: 170
Views: 1480

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... you are dumb. The main thesis is most psychological/psychiatric interventions from psychiatric drugs to Gestalt therapy are not much better than placebo in double blind controlled trials. This is why new drugs are not forthcoming. The drug trials must include placebo now. How has the field gotten ...
by Nemo
Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:24 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2615

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

Perhaps if you could explain why it works that could be helpful. I see that it does not work as a treatment modality and has nothing like A&P to diagnose causes. Why doesn't it work better than placebo in double blind trials?
by Nemo
Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:45 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2615

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

Nitpicking and using credentials is not meeting the argument. You understand the thesis. I don't care what kind of astrology you practice. Prove that it works and is not a placebo.
by Nemo
Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:16 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2615

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... illness in the first place. This is not happening because they cannot admit how little they know or they would lose the palliative effect of placebo. The discipline is trapped. It cannot change without a massive loss of prestige. So massive it may not even survive.
by Nemo
Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:12 am
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2615

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... fake boobs at least that is honest money. I don't want to waste resources. Without confronting the problem things can't get better. Pretending placebos are helpful will never lead to better outcomes or actual healing. The medicine I practice works even if you don't believe in it. Well, I don't ...
by Johnny Dangerous
Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:01 am
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2615

Re: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?

... and one i've dealt with myself. It's my understanding there are medical treatments well outside of mental health that aren't much better than placebo, so this isn't a charge that can be leveled only at Psychology/Psychiatry. In addition, mistaking one etiology for another at the expense of ...
by AlexanderS
Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:40 pm
 
Forum: Lounge
Topic: Is Psychotherapy Better Than Astrology?
Replies: 208
Views: 2615
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