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Re: What kind of mind do Buddhas have

Sakyas say tummo or physical karmamudra for attaining Buddhahood while alive. No, actually this not true — where did you hear this? Then correct. You forgot serving the guru. It is stated in Lamdre that those of the best capacity realize ...
by Malcolm
Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:44 pm
 
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What kind of mind do Buddhas have
Replies: 218
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Re: What kind of mind do Buddhas have

Malcolm wrote:
BuddhaFollower wrote:Sakyas say tummo or physical karmamudra for attaining Buddhahood while alive.



No, actually this not true — where did you hear this?


Then please correct. You are the Sakya Loppon.
by BuddhaFollower
Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:40 pm
 
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What kind of mind do Buddhas have
Replies: 218
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Re: What kind of mind do Buddhas have

BuddhaFollower wrote:Sakyas say tummo or physical karmamudra for attaining Buddhahood while alive.



No, actually this not true — where did you hear this?
by Malcolm
Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:37 pm
 
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What kind of mind do Buddhas have
Replies: 218
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Re: What kind of mind do Buddhas have

Gelugs say you need physical karmamudra to attain Buddhahood while alive. Since I think I heard that from my FPMT teacher that would make sense, although I did not know it was a Gelug-specific position until just now. Frankly I did not ...
by smcj
Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:20 pm
 
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What kind of mind do Buddhas have
Replies: 218
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Re: What kind of mind do Buddhas have

... the quote you are refering to... Passionate Enlightenment: Women in Tantric Buddhism pg. 146 Wasn't it somebody else who made this statement about karmamudra? I never heard/read this from Tsongkhapa. :shrug: Its pretty well known that this is Tsongkhapa's position. I found it: Miranda Shaw said ...
by Ayu
Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:13 pm
 
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What kind of mind do Buddhas have
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Re: What kind of mind do Buddhas have

Sakyas say tummo or physical karmamudra for attaining Buddhahood while alive.

Gelugs say you need physical karmamudra to attain Buddhahood while alive.

Of course all schools say you can obtain Buddhahood during bardo of death.
by BuddhaFollower
Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:12 pm
 
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What kind of mind do Buddhas have
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Re: What kind of mind do Buddhas have

Wasn't it somebody else who made this statement about karmamudra? I never heard/read this from Tsongkhapa. :shrug: Its pretty well known that this is Tsongkhapa's position. It's what I've heard as well. It's been a long time,but I think I heard if ...
by smcj
Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:08 pm
 
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What kind of mind do Buddhas have
Replies: 218
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Re: What kind of mind do Buddhas have

... the quote you are refering to... Passionate Enlightenment: Women in Tantric Buddhism pg. 146 Wasn't it somebody else who made this statement about karmamudra? I never heard/read this from Tsongkhapa. :shrug: Its pretty well known that this is Tsongkhapa's position.
by BuddhaFollower
Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:01 pm
 
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What kind of mind do Buddhas have
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Re: What kind of mind do Buddhas have

BuddhaFollower wrote:Why?

The first link doesn't show any book. You didn't tell the title, nor the quote you are refering to...
The second is a long thread and you did not mention what you want to say.

Wasn't it somebody else who made this statement about karmamudra? I never heard/read this from Tsongkhapa. :shrug:
by Ayu
Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:57 pm
 
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What kind of mind do Buddhas have
Replies: 218
Views: 2441

Re: What kind of mind do Buddhas have

... a conceptual experience - you'll be the first person in the history of Buddhist practice who has been able to do it. 1. Even Tsongkhapa says that karmamudra with a physical consort is required if you want to obtain Buddhahood while still alive: https://books.google.com/books?id=dahS9CHLfXoC&pg=PA146&dq=Tsongkhapa+karmamudra&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aD9BVaDLBbe1sQSyzYGwDQ&ved=0CDsQuwUwBA#v=onepage&q=Tsongkhapa%20karmamudra&f=false ...
by Ayu
Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:53 pm
 
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What kind of mind do Buddhas have
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Re: What kind of mind do Buddhas have

... a conceptual experience - you'll be the first person in the history of Buddhist practice who has been able to do it. 1. Even Tsongkhapa says that karmamudra with a physical consort is required if you want to obtain Buddhahood while still alive: https://books.google.com/books?id=dahS9CHLfXoC&pg=PA146&dq=Tsongkhapa+karmamudra&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aD9BVaDLBbe1sQSyzYGwDQ&ved=0CDsQuwUwBA#v=onepage&q=Tsongkhapa%20karmamudra&f=false ...
by BuddhaFollower
Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:23 pm
 
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: What kind of mind do Buddhas have
Replies: 218
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Re: The tantric vow not to disparage women

I've always thought this vow somehow related to karmamudra. Maybe wrong.
by lorem
Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:06 pm
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: The tantric vow not to disparage women
Replies: 18
Views: 703

Re: Polygamy / Polyandry & Buddhism

Karmamudra is not sex, it's yoga. It is sexual yoga. Ordinary sex is not liberative. Really? And here's me thinking that ordinary mind is the problem. Virupa could drink beer all day long. Is alcohol problematic for the practitioner? ...
by Sherab Dorje
Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:36 pm
 
Forum: Ethical Conduct
Topic: Polygamy / Polyandry & Buddhism
Replies: 86
Views: 3847

Re: Polygamy / Polyandry & Buddhism

... a celibate monastic. He had two wives (ie he was a polygamist) and from all accounts liked to "get it on" with dakinis. So... :shrug: Karmamudra is not sex, it's yoga. Ordinary sex is not liberative. Virupa could drink beer all day long. Is alcohol problematic for the practitioner? ...
by Karma Dorje
Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:19 pm
 
Forum: Ethical Conduct
Topic: Polygamy / Polyandry & Buddhism
Replies: 86
Views: 3847

Re: The Order of Practices in the Yoga of the Illusory Body

... nature of appearance, dreams, and the Bardo, and the full attainment of the illusory body is accomplished either at death or by means of a karmamudra. Is that the correct understanding of the presentation of illusory body yoga?
by Bakmoon
Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:45 am
 
Forum: Gelug
Topic: The Order of Practices in the Yoga of the Illusory Body
Replies: 6
Views: 559

Re: Kayas

Bliss is a nyam, a temporary meditative experience. But it's also something I've worked with in the third type of Abhisheka but even in that context it isn't necessarily limited to karmamudra. So Zhen Li isn't entirely correct but not entirely incorrect. It's also another word for fruition mahamudra.
by Hieros Gamos
Thu Sep 04, 2014 4:29 pm
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Kayas
Replies: 31
Views: 572

Re: Kayas

... whenever they like. How so and so practices at any time is a conditioned part of illusory reality. :yinyang: But regardless, I never mentioned karmamudra. I don't believe you actually read the quotes or what I said, it seems to me you're assuming what you think I would say. "Of this bliss ...
by Zhen Li
Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:50 pm
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Kayas
Replies: 31
Views: 572

Re: Kayas

... "Innate Great Bliss" (which relates to the term "Sahaja," BTW) is not something produced by methods, including the methods of Karmamudra or "Sexual union." Your posts would lead one to believe otherwise, in my opinion. Yes, "sexual union," both metaphoric ...
by conebeckham
Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:16 pm
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Kayas
Replies: 31
Views: 572

Re: Kayas

... union, actually, either. Orgasmic bliss is merely a metaphor, or a "finger pointing to the moon," even in those systems where actual Karmamudra (Sexual practices) are engaged in--whether in Tibetan traditions, or Newari, or wherever. There isn't, fundamentally, a significant difference ...
by Zhen Li
Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:01 pm
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Kayas
Replies: 31
Views: 572

Re: Kayas

... union, actually, either. Orgasmic bliss is merely a metaphor, or a "finger pointing to the moon," even in those systems where actual Karmamudra (Sexual practices) are engaged in--whether in Tibetan traditions, or Newari, or wherever. In Highest Yoga Tantra systems, esp. of the Mother ...
by conebeckham
Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:39 pm
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Kayas
Replies: 31
Views: 572
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