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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

However, the specific conversation about karmamudra aside, the germane question is; in the Vajrayana, are the mental poisons ever to be indulged in without transmuting them into their corresponding wisdom mind? Is it ok, for instance, to lose ...
by Ivo
Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:37 pm
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... and relating with others, so working to integrate it has never really seemed overly problematic. However, the specific conversation about karmamudra aside, the germane question is; in the Vajrayana, are the mental poisons ever to be indulged in without transmuting them into their corresponding ...
by Urgyen Dorje
Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:23 pm
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... or private. Obviously a Nyingmapa would have a different take on things, as I've acknowledged all along. However, the specific conversation about karmamudra aside, the germane question is; in the Vajrayana, are the mental poisons ever to be indulged in without transmuting them into their corresponding ...
by smcj
Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:54 pm
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... mentioned somewhat subtly the yoga of passion several times in his own excellent posts, also without anyone taking much notice. The practices of karmamudra which work with the subtle winds and essences and which people for some reason always reference when they talk about "sex and buddhism" ...
by udawa
Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:02 pm
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... mentioned somewhat subtly the yoga of passion several times in his own excellent posts, also without anyone taking much notice. The practices of karmamudra which work with the subtle winds and essences and which people for some reason always reference when they talk about "sex and buddhism" ...
by ShineeSeoul
Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:13 am
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... mentioned somewhat subtly the yoga of passion several times in his own excellent posts, also without anyone taking much notice. The practices of karmamudra which work with the subtle winds and essences and which people for some reason always reference when they talk about "sex and buddhism" ...
by Ivo
Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:24 am
 
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

It's sort of strange to me that as soon as we start talking about integrating sexuality into our practice that our calibration point becomes karmamudra, the path of the lower door, which requires a tremendous amount of training as a foundation. There's a huge amount of bandwidth between just ...
by MalaBeads
Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:25 pm
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... sadhana. For that matter, just take Lamdre. Everyone who takes Lamdre receives complete instructions in all completion stage practices including Karmamudra practice. Karmamudra is not that important for Dzogchen practitioners, because it is not their path, nevetheless there are literally hundreds ...
by Malcolm
Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:03 pm
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... criticism/reaction to the Nyingma approach to this practice was also basically a sectarian criticism.) It still bewilders me why we presume karmamudra is the only method to take sexuality onto the path. I've only asked for teachings on integrating a variety of experiences onto the path, ...
by smcj
Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:49 pm
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

I know that.

There's a lot of vajrayana Buddhists having sex out there...

Malcolm wrote:
Urgyen Dorje wrote:It still bewilders me why we presume karmamudra is the only method to take sexuality onto the path.


It isn't. there is also the yoga of passion.
by Urgyen Dorje
Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:39 pm
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

Urgyen Dorje wrote:It still bewilders me why we presume karmamudra is the only method to take sexuality onto the path.


It isn't. there is also the yoga of passion.
by Malcolm
Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:27 pm
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

It still bewilders me why we presume karmamudra is the only method to take sexuality onto the path.

Is it because of the predominance of Gelug source materials in translation, where the presumed audience is a monastic one?
by Urgyen Dorje
Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:54 pm
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... depict an understanding of the phenomenal world as the union of bliss with emptiness. That understanding, with a number of variations, is what karmamudra is enacting. As I've said all along, consort practice is not sex. Of course that is what karma mudra enacts. But anuttarayoga visualization ...
by Karma Dondrup Tashi
Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:43 pm
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... than that method must have a context. It must have a foundation, a path, and particular fruition or result. That is where we can talk about karmamudra, because that has a specific context. And that's where we can talk longevity sexual pratices and all sorts of other things. And of course ...
by Urgyen Dorje
Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:28 am
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... sexuality onto the path. That's an entirely different matter, especially in the Gelug context that you reference, as one would be considering karmamudra, practices of the lower door in the completion stage, and one would be considering engaging in them without breaking one's pratimoksha ordination. ...
by Urgyen Dorje
Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:05 am
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... includes our sexual experiences if we're not monastics or otherwise celibate practitioners. That doesn't necessarily mean that one is doing karmamudra. The fact that one is a lay person who is sexually active doesn't mean that one is doing "consort practice". That is a whole other ...
by Urgyen Dorje
Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:41 am
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... not just as a general Vajrayana principle. The entire point of the conversation was to make certain thatI didn't get any wrong ideas about karmamudra. There is a modern medicine for a heart attack that is made from from snake venom then "transmuted" into medicine. However nobody ...
by smcj
Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:00 am
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... depict an understanding of the phenomenal world as the union of bliss with emptiness. That understanding, with a number of variations, is what karmamudra is enacting. As I've said all along, consort practice is not sex.
by Urgyen Dorje
Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:47 pm
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

... depict an understanding of the phenomenal world as the union of bliss with emptiness. That understanding, with a number of variations, is what karmamudra is enacting. As I've said all along, consort practice is not sex.
by smcj
Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:27 pm
 
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Re: Anti-Tibetan Buddhism Signs

If the eating, sleeping, waking and defecating yogas were somehow equivalent to karmamudra then there would be plenty of thankas of deities eating, sleeping and defecating. Karmamudra is different. The yab yum thangkas are not depictions of karma mudra. Among other ...
by Karma Dondrup Tashi
Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:56 pm
 
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