Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby monktastic » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:16 am

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
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One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa

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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby monktastic » Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:17 am

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
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One will understand it in due course.

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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby heart » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:47 am

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby Astus » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:12 am

In calming meditation you have to avoid disturbances, you have to concentrate not to be disturbed. If merged with vipashyana, resting without abiding on anything, there is no effort made not to be disturbed, because all is seen without being hung up on them. Example: normally one is disgusted by a pile of fresh dung, with concentration one blocks either the object or the feeling, with insight one does not reify the object nor identifies with the feeling and so there is self-liberation.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby monktastic » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:44 pm

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
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One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa

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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby Astus » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:50 pm

The division to subject-object comes in when there is the thought/feeling that something is out there and I'm in here. But that thought/feeling (mental content, dharma) is an added quality to simple presence. Even if you recognise that there is this idea of duality, don't worry about it, it is just there. The important point is not to grasp phenomena, not to believe them, not to rely on them (which is not the same as rejecting them, or maintaining a thought of disbelief).

The meaning of the mind being empty is just that there is nothing to rely on, that there is no ultimate nature of mind/self. Doubt appears because there is the idea that one should find some optimal point to hold on to. But as you know, there is nothing to find as the real thing, as the true attainment. Not attaining anything is the real attainment. When the seeking stops it is found, because it is the seeking itself that contains the error. So they say: rest.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby monktastic » Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:33 pm

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
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One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa

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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby Astus » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:19 am

I think the important point about this kind of non-meditation is to not slip into not meditating at all. To remedy that, Gampopa's "thoughts are the dharmakaya" idea is a useful one, that is, in face of everyday events and mental appearances we can work with wisdom and compassion. To manage, we need mindfulness of what goes on. Gradually it becomes effortless and expands to every moment - this is the subject of the four yogas. Pointing out, investigation, study - this is all needed first in order to be clear about what the practice is. But then, once you got it, the only thing left is using it.
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby monktastic » Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:06 pm

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
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One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa

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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby Silent Bob » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:29 pm

I think you're getting some good advice here, if you can manage to drop the worrying and drop the trying. Ripeness is all. I practiced formless shamatha for several years, thinking it was actually MM, but when I described my meditation to Thrangu Rinpoche he just shook his head and laughed.
"All the sublime teachings, so profound--to throw away one and then grab yet another will not bear even a single fruit. Persevere, therefore, in simply one."
--Dudjom Rinpoche, "Nectar for the Hearts of Fortunate Disciples. Song No. 8"

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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby heart » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:11 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby Astus » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:07 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Pointing Out / Systematic Instruction

Postby monktastic » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:08 pm

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa


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