Whats the difference

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Re: Whats the difference

Postby pueraeternus » Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:08 pm

If you believe certain words, you believe their hidden arguments. When you believe something is right or wrong, true of false, you believe the assumptions in the words which express the arguments. Such assumptions are often full of holes, but remain most precious to the convinced.

- The Open-Ended Proof from The Panoplia Prophetica

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Re: Whats the difference

Postby Astus » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:31 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Whats the difference

Postby monktastic » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:25 pm

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.

--Gampopa

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Re: Whats the difference

Postby Astus » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:57 pm

Regarding not fully focusing on the object:

"The importance of not focusing on the meditative object too intently should be emphasized here. You need to restrain your mind from wandering away from the meditation object, but you should also maintain a sense of relaxation. ... The function of the meditative object is to enhance your concentration. Simply be aware of the object, rather than grasping onto it or trying to focus on it too intently. An element of relaxation is extremely important here. You should not mistake the object of meditation for the function of meditation. The function of meditation is not to concentrate on a piece of wood or any other object."
(Traleg Kyabgon: Ocean of Certainty, p. 80)

"What is very important, the masters always advise, is not to fixate while practising the concentration of calm abiding. That's why they recommend you place only twenty five percent of the attention on mindfulness of the breath. But then, as you may have noticed, mindfulness alone is not enough. While you are supposed to be watching the breath, after a few minutes you may find yourself playing in a football match or starring in your own film. So another twenty five percent should be devoted to a continuous and watchful awareness, one that oversees and checks whether you are being mindful of the breath. The remaining fifty percent of your attention is left abiding, spaciously. Of course the exact percentages are not as important as the fact that all three of these elements-mindfulness, awareness and spaciousness are present."
(Sögyal Rinpoche: Natural Great Peace, p. 7)
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Whats the difference

Postby pueraeternus » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:28 am

If you believe certain words, you believe their hidden arguments. When you believe something is right or wrong, true of false, you believe the assumptions in the words which express the arguments. Such assumptions are often full of holes, but remain most precious to the convinced.

- The Open-Ended Proof from The Panoplia Prophetica

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Re: Whats the difference

Postby Astus » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:01 am

I've seen that order before, can't remember where. But it is somewhat logical. :)
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Whats the difference

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Re: Whats the difference

Postby pueraeternus » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:55 pm

Good to see you again Jnana! :)
If you believe certain words, you believe their hidden arguments. When you believe something is right or wrong, true of false, you believe the assumptions in the words which express the arguments. Such assumptions are often full of holes, but remain most precious to the convinced.

- The Open-Ended Proof from The Panoplia Prophetica


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