Is Buddhist cosmology essentially Vedic?

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Re: Is Buddhist cosmology essentially Vedic?

Postby theanarchist » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:28 pm

If I remember Myriad Worlds by Jamgon Kongtrul right, in Buddhism has several different cosmological doctrins.

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Re: Is Buddhist cosmology essentially Vedic?

Postby Malcolm » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:49 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: Is Buddhist cosmology essentially Vedic?

Postby haha » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:32 pm

In pre-buddhist literatures (some Brahmanas and Aranyakas), there are many different assumptions about realms. The conception of buddhist realms base on karma theory or meditative absorptions, in contrast, the vedic literature has different basis and sometimes more symbolic. One can compare the realm of 33 gods: it is symbolic in vedic literature, whereas abhidharma regards 33 as sentient beings.

I heard that in Puranic literature gods and demons (asura) had used Mt. Sumeru to churn the oceans. :stirthepot:

So one can put this mountain anywhere to churn out the butter – buddhist cosmology or puranic cosmology.

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Re: Is Buddhist cosmology essentially Vedic?

Postby Aemilius » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:28 pm

There is the interesting event of Buddha Shakyamuni's descent from Trayastrimsa heaven and from Mount Sumeru, after He had preached the Abhidharma Pitaka there to His former mother. In this story He comes on three staircases or ladders provided for Him by the gods. The three staircases were of gold, silver and jewels. In this story Mount Sumeru is definitely in another dimension, it is above the sky. In traditional paintings the three ladders seem to descend from the sky.

Sankassa is the name of the place in India where Buddha's descended from Mount Sumeru, see
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Re: Is Buddhist cosmology essentially Vedic?

Postby BuddhaFollower » Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:25 am

Buddha says the Gayatri mantra is the supreme mantra in Samyutta Nikaya 111, Majjhima Nikaya 92 and Vinaya i 246 of the Pali Canon.

aggihuttamukhā yaññā sāvittī chandaso mukham.
Sacrifices have the agnihotra as foremost; of meter the foremost is the Sāvitrī.


Described on page 119 of this:
http://jocbs.org/index.php/jocbs/article/view/76/96

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Re: Is Buddhist cosmology essentially Vedic?

Postby Indrajala » Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:36 pm

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Re: Is Buddhist cosmology essentially Vedic?

Postby tingdzin » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:02 am

A very good book on the early days of Buddhism and what grew into what is now called "Hinduism" is Geoffrey Samuel's The Origins of Yoga and Tantra. A lot of popular assumptions about both are shown to be distorted.

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Re: Is Buddhist cosmology essentially Vedic?

Postby Dharma Flower » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:06 pm

What if, instead of the Buddhist cosmology being similar to Hindu cosmology, it's the other way around? In the Agganna Sutta, the Buddha describes the universe as being in a cycle of contraction and expansion, and as the human race on this planet originating in a process of devolution from beings of a higher realm. What if the Buddha reached these profound insights in the Agganna Sutta from a state of samadhi, and then Hinduism copied the Buddha's insights afterward?

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Re: Is Buddhist cosmology essentially Vedic?

Postby Indrajala » Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:57 am

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |


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