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Please help with statues found in 2014

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:34 am

I am preparing paper on statues and images I found in Philippines. Any input with examples of similar statues is appreciated. Philip
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Re: Please help with statues found in 2014

Postby Queequeg » Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:42 am

pbmaise wrote:I am preparing paper on statues and images I found in Philippines. Any input with examples of similar statues is appreciated. Philip

Images and some background would be helpful.
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Item 1 cave painting

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:23 am

I am at sea. This isnt working.

Possible Kishi Monju Bosatsu

Any tale images Manjusri escaping racing a horse?
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Item 2 bust of Manjusri

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:35 am

Ancient concrete and black mortar 3 d

Head only about 5 meters high hair clearly in bun.

Possible rhino horn on top of head or that may be a erroded small hat.

Cave image showed small hat.

Good reason if rhino since trading center to China

Any similar head only of Manjusri. Perferred spelling?
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Item 3 Bas-relief foo dog. Happa?

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:46 am

Item 3 looks like foo dog but two problems

Looks like 3 toes not 5.

Line across relief suggests a much larger animal is also present.

It is possible artist wanted to convey ability to change to much larger lion.

Setting for relief is seaside and mirror image is seen.

Any images of Happa? Please 10th century and older.


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Item 4 Bejeweled finges

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:59 am

Position nearly flat on shore and covered high tide

About 2 meters

Pinky and index share one double ring. Ring motif may be a large fish with a single letter that looks like a cursive
Lower case t. Top of t deep dot. Bottom of t may split. Yes basically like stick figure.


Anything similar?

Fingers suggest clawing at earth.

Any important story in tradition of drowning of wealthy man?
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Item 5 Hand with index bent

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:10 am

2.5 meters tall hand rising from beach. Prone. Can see wrist.

Erroded but pinky and ring may have been ringed. Index and middle finger is bent and suggesting arthritis.

Any old hands in other temples?
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Item 6 The clueless thinker

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:46 am

3-d 1 meter high elevated on pyrmoidal wall.

Figure is on haunches supported by straight left arm
Face is looking downward with chin supported on knuckles of right hand.

A very classical thinker pose.

Problem. Top of head appears cut and brains removed.

Almost like statement man is unable to think even if he tries.

Sculptures below he is observing intently are of elephants with a man standing in front.

What second man is doing is unclear.

Thoughts?



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Item 7

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:55 am

Tall standing figure 10-15 meters high.

A large wall continues behind and acts as brace.

Viewed directly wall is unseen.

Viewed sideways it looks like large wall with several oval stones on top.

Accepting that first to be a head means other stones are heads too.
Thoughts?

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Item 8 Bas-relief stylized fish or eye?

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:08 am

This is a large oval with a deep line horizontal.

Oval is mostly flat.

A small hole may be in right spot for fish eye.

Howeve owing to size suspect this is a symbol.

What symbol.

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General construction of a temple

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:16 am

The temple appears to be

Poured in place ancient concrete


Carved sandstone

Both are covered with dull gray mortar that likely was a bio-mortar
Formed from quick lime and sticky rice similar to mortars for Great Wall.

Any mainland China or Taiwanese and Java similar?
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Burial chambers and Mycenae influencr

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:38 am

Any Buddhist temples incorporate Mycenae innovations?

I am looking at slab construction with a relieving-triangle instead of keystones or lintels.

Over all sculptures are just decorative adornment to the tholos like pyrmoidal chambers.
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Largest bust

Postby pbmaise » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:19 pm

Next to the huge Manujsri head is a much larger figure badly damaged. Check please facebook page Philip Maise for photo. Any clue?
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Re: Please help with statues found in 2014

Postby Kim O'Hara » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:31 am

I found your FB page and looked at the photos but can't see anything except natural rock formations.
Erosion does complicated things sometimes and when you combine that with the human tendency to see familiar things (especially faces) in random features, it's easy to see things that are not really there.
I'm sorry to be so un-encouraging but I've got to be honest.

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Re: Please help with statues found in 2014

Postby pbmaise » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:08 am

Thanks Kim. Your view is understood since you havent seen the perfect 90 degree angles and bas relief of mason with assistant. I am releasing that soon. But need to describe these objects without offending. Philip
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Re: Please help with statues found in 2014

Postby Kim O'Hara » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:45 am

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Item 9 Chitta seed mala beads and relics?

Postby pbmaise » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:15 am

Item 9 is a line of circles. It took me sometime to figure out these were beads. The clue was the beads started from a large head. Closely looking I matched design to chitta seeds.

1. Any practice of beads in mouth in meditation?

2. Usually I thought beads in mouth was at death. Were mala beads placed in mouth at death?

3. Jusy below head appears to be two relics. Were bones shipped between temples?

I think this confirms V

As already observed here

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Re: Please help with statues found in 2014

Postby pbmaise » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:29 am

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I am finally on shore. Here is the preliminary report on the smaller items. The huge statutes and burial chambers and step pyramids will be in a separate document

Here are links to three PDF documents.


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Re: Please help with statues found in 2014

Postby pbmaise » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:42 am

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All images I load here in the PDF documents.
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Re: Please help with statues found in 2014

Postby pbmaise » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:52 am

Here is the other side of the bust.

A far larger bust appears to the right that I have no idea about. Who would command a far larger bust than Manjursi?

Also notice from this view the top of the head appears missing like the sculpture overlooking the elephants.
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