Dharma Wheel

Nice paper.

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... xj9jjCnz0Q" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tiger wrote:Nice paper.

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... xj9jjCnz0Q" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why do you think it's a nice paper?

Andrew108 wrote:

Tiger wrote:Nice paper.

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... xj9jjCnz0Q" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why do you think it's a nice paper?

For the historical analysis.

What historical analysis? I read the paper and didn't find any parallels between Ati and Ch'an. In fact I thought that his analysis of 'no thought' in Ati was incomplete and misjudged. But what can you expect from an Academic who wrote this paper back in 1985. I also found it strange that he didn't quote from Dzogchen tantras.
In fact if you are sincerely interested in the Ati view and how it might be the same or different to Ch'an, then you have to read the original Ati/Dzogchen tantras.
I'm all in favor of informed debate but I'm not sure how much trust I put in academic papers like the one you linked to.

Tiger wrote:

Andrew108 wrote:

Tiger wrote:Nice paper.

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... xj9jjCnz0Q" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why do you think it's a nice paper?

For the historical analysis.

This article is quite outdated. This is a much more recent, more informed, and a more nuanced presentation of the interaction of Chan and Atiyoga in Tibet:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/49744856/Ligh ... -Mig-Sgron" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thank you.