duckfiasco wrote:I believe lobster was referring to submission that is more of a power play between superior other and inferior self, often by hoisting this bad self onto a good/saved self pedestal, or at least gaining some advantage for a demanding small self. This is seen for example in much of Christianity. The bad self is made into a good self through the grace of other, often with conditions attached.
Another kind is submission that may resemble this "inferior evil self" initially, but instead of inferiority being improved into superiority, it's taken to be insight into the unsuitability of this egotistic self for liberation. Therefore, it's not something worthy of such cherishing, but something to be abandoned.
This is my understanding of Pure Land for instance, where we give up our schemings to become a good and wise person, since any such polished self we could make would be provisional, and short of incredible insight, have some calculating egotism waiting to mess it all up.
So instead, we submit to Other-Power, or whatever you might call it
Sorry if that's all abstract and wrong
Is that what 'lobster' meant...so why didn't he say so ?
Its still nothing to do with submission in the sense that it is used in the Vajrayana however.