Why was E-Sangha controversial?

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Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby Rakshasa » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:18 pm

I only started browsing Buddhist forums about a year or two ago and have often read the mention of "E-Sangha" in the negative connotation. I did some google search to check out about why it was so controversial and came to know that it was hacked.

Why was it hacked? And why was it not resurrected again? I am getting the intuition that there may have been some Theravada-Mahayana conflicts in that forum?

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Re: Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby Konchog1 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:19 pm

I agree with Yudron. I only used E sangha for about a year (iirc) before it went down, so I didn't have much experience with the site. But as I recall, there were no problems between Mahayana and Theravada, but a lot of Zen people got banned for posting ideas against the TOS.

That was basically it. Different groups and individuals violating the TOS, getting banned, and complaining about it.
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Re: Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby Karma Dondrup Tashi » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:47 pm

It wasn't controversial it was just sexy and it knew it.

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Re: Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby justsit » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:00 pm

Apparently it was not resurrected because all the data had been lost, and the thing had gotten so big. It was pretty much funded by one person, AFAIK, and the costs to handle the size became prohibitive.

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Re: Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby viniketa » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:50 pm

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Re: Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby Kunzang » Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:31 pm

It is strongly recommended that you wear your highest quality tinfoil hat before reading this post. :spy:

Even before e-sangha started there was a conspiracy theory being circulated that there is a Jesuit who is virulently anti-Buddhist and has former ties to the CIA who has been responsible for starting some of the most popular Buddhist discussion forums on the net (all now defunct -- or are they? :thinking:). His goal, of course, being to damage Buddhism from within its own ranks (a classic spook technique). At one time, the individual and some of his aliases was named by a "researcher", along with "proof" of his activity. I'm not going to link to that person's "research", but she and her website are not hard to find.

Now for the curious part: I joined e-sangha a couple of months after it started. Initially, a user named "Nevermind" was member number 1, and "Teyes" was member number 2. Nevermind used to sign his posts with one of the aliases mentioned by the aforementioned researcher. After a few months, Teyes (now identified as the Founding Member) wrote a story explaining why he started e-sangha; sometime shortly after that story appeared Nevermind's member number changed to 53 -- and then not too long after that Nevermind's account disappeared altogether. To add to the cloak-and-dagger appeal of this tale was Nevermind's avatar which was a hooded medieval monk with the face obscured.

So, there you have it. E-sangha was really just a psy-op project meant to discredit Buddhism. :spy:

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Re: Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby viniketa » Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:41 pm

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Re: Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby KathyLauren » Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:56 pm

It was unpopular in some sectors because it took an active stance on Buddhist orthodoxy. Personal views that were not substantiated by scripture were not welcome. The anarchist sector of the Internet population could not stand being moderated, as is true on any well-run forum. It went down because it was hacked by people who took exception to its orthodox position.

No forum that is readable is fully funded by advertising. The good ones all require a substantial ongoing investment by the owners. Conversely, the ones that are supported only by advertising are unusable. I think that, after it was hacked, its owner was unwilling to re-invest in it. There were legal threats made against the owner at the time, that he may have been unwilling to try to fight.

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Re: Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby Jinzang » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:06 am

E-Sangha enforced a conservative view of Buddhism and those who held a different viewpoint both resented that and being moderated when they expressed that disagreement.
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Re: Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby Grigoris » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:32 am

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Re: Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby Grigoris » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:27 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Why was E-Sangha controversial?

Postby udawa » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:22 am

The demise of esangha was explained thus by Malcolm Smith in an earlier thread

E-sangha was hacked by tamil tiger hackers who were pissed at a debate about Sinhalese nationalism occuring on E-Sangha at the time-- then the hosting company pooched the backup when the database was corrupted. All very straightforward and nothing mysterious.

For the most part, all the other successful Buddhist boards are running under modified sets of rules developed out of their experience at e-Sangha.

E-Sangha, for the most part, failed because it tried to satisfy the competing values of three major Buddhist traditions, Thervada, Zen and Tibetan Buddhism. Now there are three boards, with three different sets of former E-Sangha moderators in these three spheres. And they all have policies more or less derived from E-Sangha with modifications made according to their own experience.

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