Eckhart Tolle on christmas

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Re: Eckhart Tolle on christmas

Postby Grigoris » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:52 pm

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Re: Eckhart Tolle on christmas

Postby lowlydog » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:36 am

Hey Greg,

If your practice is in line with the suttas where does the Buddha state that one must examine a teacher for 12 years, what is the significance of 12 years why not 8 or 25.

Why would it take 12 years to know you are practicing what the Buddha taught, we all have different karma one may progress much quicker than another, but if you truly commit to practicing the 8-fold path insights should arise much quicker than 12 years. In the buddhas time people were becoming arahants at the drop of a few words. :smile:

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Re: Eckhart Tolle on christmas

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:30 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Eckhart Tolle on christmas

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:37 pm

I watched some of the video, thanks for posting it. It's hard because his terminology is so different. Things like using one of the five aggregates to describe this ultimate state..I know they are just words of course, but the vocabulary differences are striking, and should not be ignored I think.

I found a link that I think actually does a really good job of explaining where what Tolle is teaching might be different from Buddhism:
http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/5741/eckhart-tolle

The user "Xabir" writes a somewhat lengthy, but IMO pretty good bit about the differences. Notice though, he is not condemning Tolle and even mentions recommending his books, only pointing out where the philosophy seems to diverge from Dharma.

To make a long story short, when it is taught that there is a "real self" underneath an illusory self, this is different than Buddhism I suspect. The reason is that it creates a dualistic notion that thoughts, emotions, etc. are somehow less than this True Self is, that one contains more "me" than the other. In Buddhism (generalizing I know) it seems that "me" (or inherent existence generally) isn't really on the table, period - that is Anatta or Sunyata - a non-affiriming negation, it is an assertion of what is not not that something else (a self) is. The idea I get from Eckhart's teaching is that discursive thoughts and emotions are something to be avoided and dispensed with, while this True Self should be cultivated. It might seem like a subtle distinction to some but I have the feeling it may be important.

If you read the words of many Buddhists, it seems this kind of thinking is considered to be a pitfall, i've even heard this mentioned as a "straying from the path" in a couple of places. Discursive thought is not something apart from, nor removed from luminous mind, they are not two different things but are "of one taste" as some teachers say. To me this is an important distinction.
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Re: Eckhart Tolle on christmas

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Postby Johnny Dangerous » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:22 pm

When someone says something like "this is YOU, but this isn't" that is the same thing as asserting a real, existing self, it's just a different self than the conventional one. It sounds to me like that is a part of his teachings..that this"now" is actually "you" - this is an important distinction I think. it doesn't seem trivial to me.
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Postby Johnny Dangerous » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:28 pm

You don't see dualism when someone posits a really existing reality outside of conventional reality that they define with terms like "one", or "being"?
It might as well be flesh and spirit, it definitely seems like more dualistic language to me.
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Re: Eckhart Tolle on christmas

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:53 pm

Coz it is not Buddhism and they don't want to admit it?
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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