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Re: Modern Education

Postby Indrajala » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:29 pm

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Re: Modern Education

Postby DGA » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:19 pm

You're entitled to your opinion, Huseng. It's just that the description of feminism you present does not correspond very well to the situation at hand. You're right to expect disagreement because of this mismatch between your stated position and the facts of ordinary people's lives.

I'll leave it at that.

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Re: Modern Education

Postby Indrajala » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:16 am

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Re: Modern Education

Postby Punya » Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:05 am

I'm glad we're in the lounge because I'm not an academic but this my take on the impact of feminism. It comes from the perspective of being of a late baby-boomer so I have experienced the rapid social change that have occurred in the post WW2 era. The rise of feminism has only been one of those changes.

I consider feminist objectives as being part of the larger objective of seeking to treat eveyone equally regardless of colour, beliefs or gender. Equality of education, job opportunities and the right to live life the way in which we choose. These are ideals that seem to be able to be implemented more easily in countries where there is a strong social welfare system such as those of Scandinavia.

In Australia, where I live, feminism has been reasonably successful in giving women some opportunities: education, job choices and financial independence. Rather than blaming the rise of feminism for all of my country's ills I see number of other causes eg we still live in a capitalist society which highly values material wealth, attendance in the Christian churches has rapidly declined and this, along with an emphasis on individualism, has led to a decline in moral values in some quarters. Secularisation has also had an impact on community life and has lead to some social alienation. Increased mobility has resulted in many children living in a nuclear family which has many pressures for both both men and women.

I don't seek to return to the patriarchal societies of the past but to a societal future that is less materialistic, more community oriented, more environmental and more spiritual. The Transition Town movement probably best reflects where I'd like to see us head. This should include greater opportunities for men to participate in child rearing through shorter working hours (with a corresponding reduction in income) and a greater acceptance of men being the primary care giver. All of this is possible in Australia, partly due to the work of the unions who have ensured the maintenance of a living wage.
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Re: Modern Education

Postby shaunc » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:15 am

I'd just like to say that I agree with most of Husengs points. I've lived most of my life in Australia but have also spent a considerable amount of time in the Philippines. I can personally vouch that a lot of what huseng has said is fairly true as far as my observations go.

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Re: Modern Education

Postby Konchog1 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:06 am

Huseng is right, of course.

For example, actual Feminists like Susan B Anthony were firmly pro-life. Can you imagine pro-life Feminists? :D

Then the druggies and misfits of the 60s changed Feminism to be pro-abortion. Why?

So they could have responsibility free sex of course.

I support equal rights and oppose Feminism.
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Re: Modern Education

Postby Astus » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:06 am

I think this comparison of different feminisms are somewhat like different socialist ideas. There was the Soviet Socialist system, never really worked and eventually the whole ideology has disappeared. On the other hand, Western European social democracies are alive and they benefit many people. A radical philosophy is only one smaller group, like the anarchists in left-wing politics or dhutanga practitioners among all the monks.

From a feminist point of view we could highlight how people are happy to blame here women for social problems without considering the fact that the majority of politicians and influential people are men, that the nations are led and controlled mostly by men, and even here the members are also mainly men. How come that it's still the woman's fault? Of course, the true sinner is Eve and the Almighty Lord has nothing to do with creating evil...
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Modern Education

Postby Astus » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:12 pm

Here is an article on Swedish preschool childcare system: .
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Modern Education

Postby LastLegend » Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:40 pm

Putting feminism aside for now, the issue that we face today is lack of parenting because both parents hold jobs.
NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Modern Education

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Re: Modern Education

Postby pueraeternus » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:51 pm

If you believe certain words, you believe their hidden arguments. When you believe something is right or wrong, true of false, you believe the assumptions in the words which express the arguments. Such assumptions are often full of holes, but remain most precious to the convinced.

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Re: Modern Education

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Re: Modern Education

Postby pueraeternus » Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:53 pm

If you believe certain words, you believe their hidden arguments. When you believe something is right or wrong, true of false, you believe the assumptions in the words which express the arguments. Such assumptions are often full of holes, but remain most precious to the convinced.

- The Open-Ended Proof from The Panoplia Prophetica

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Re: Modern Education

Postby Astus » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:57 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Modern Education

Postby pueraeternus » Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:46 am

If you believe certain words, you believe their hidden arguments. When you believe something is right or wrong, true of false, you believe the assumptions in the words which express the arguments. Such assumptions are often full of holes, but remain most precious to the convinced.

- The Open-Ended Proof from The Panoplia Prophetica

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Re: Modern Education

Postby Punya » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:42 pm

Just as the trunk of an ordinary tree
Lying in the forests of the Malaya mountains
Absorbs the perfume of sandal from the moist leaves and branches
So you come to resemble who whomever you follow.

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Re: Modern Education

Postby Punya » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:46 pm

Just as the trunk of an ordinary tree
Lying in the forests of the Malaya mountains
Absorbs the perfume of sandal from the moist leaves and branches
So you come to resemble who whomever you follow.

~Words of My Perfect Teacher

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Re: Health Impact of Celibacy

Postby Sara H » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:09 am

"Life is full of suffering. AND Life is full of the Eternal
IT IS OUR CHOICE
We can stand in our shadow, and wallow in the darkness,
OR
We can turn around.
It is OUR choice." -Rev. Basil Singer

" ...out of fear, even the good harm one another. " -Rev. Dazui MacPhillamy


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