Masonry: whats the purpose? Whats the buddhist view?

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Masonry: whats the purpose? Whats the buddhist view?

Postby Nosta » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:21 pm

I´ve found a video that is described as a masonry ceremony. I can't tell if the video is real or not (see in the end of this post), but the point is: whats the purpose of masonry?

In my country, when we hear talk about such theme, we see politics beeing associated with masonry. They are politics or people on good positions. They are also politics known as corrupt and even - at a certain extent - untouchable (as any politician in Portugal in my view).

So, in my opinion, masonry is: 1) a secret group of powerful (read: "rich" & influent) people trading favours with each other, giving protection and advantages to each other, according with their area of influence; on other words: they are a corrupt and secret elite of society; 2) masonry can be also a group of guys, convincing themselves that they are useful to society; they do stupid ceremonys just to give themselves the illusion that they are part of something big and they create hollow discussions to that same purpose; 3) some masonry groups are, possibly, occultists and satanic people using their sessions for satanic purposes; probably they believe that their mystical routines will bring them power; 4) I believe that the idea number 1) can bring to a more horrible one: that there are "international" and world wide groups of masons helping each other in a very big way; probably they are leaders of countrys or big companys and they act as a shadow government.

As other point to discuss, i would like to ask you: what should be the view of a buddhist towards masonry? Do you think that a buddhist can be a mason without problems or is that something against Buddhism?



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Postby Konchog1 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:10 am

Men don't stop forming gangs when they start wearing suits. As for their rituals, Masons practice a variant of Rosicrucianism.
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Postby Mojo » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:16 am

I think one has to proclaim a belief in a higher power to get in so I'm guessing this probably excludes most buddhists. As far as to what goes on? The only people who really know are the ones in the organization. Anyone one the outside can speculate but without hidden surveillance to confirm what someone with loose lips says, none can say with any real certainty.

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Postby Nosta » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:55 pm

Kim, they seem to be less secret, but that may also work as a "decoy"..."Ok guys, we are not secret, see? We do this and that..." but in fact they may still be doing the dirty work in the shadows.

Another thing I dont like on masonry is that they say thats something opened to all religions and people, but still its a thing for men and not for women, and they "pray" for the Great Architect (whatever the name). As buddhists, we dont follow anyone, we dont believe on a creator. We just follow the steps of Buddha, so the Great Architet idea is not suited for buddhists. Neither the secrecy.

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Postby Mojo » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:55 pm

Some Buddhists also believe in God.

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Postby Grigoris » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:02 pm

Jeez, and I thought this was a discussion about the benefits of using stone instead of aluminium siding.
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Postby Konchog1 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:54 am

I like this image. Sorry, if the words are hard to make out, I had to shrink the image to upload it.

GrahamR, can you fact check this image please? Also, if you are a Freemason, how do you get around the Higher Power thing? Thanks.
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-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Will a moderator please delete my previous post in this thread, and delete this post as well? As I wasn't finished editing it yet; and may decide to either not post it at all, or post it in another thread (or perhaps just finish editing it and repost it in this thread). Thank you.

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