Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

Postby Karma Dorje » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:44 pm

"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

Postby Karma Dorje » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:23 am

"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

Postby smcj » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:33 am

Don't take me too seriously.

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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

Postby kirtu » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:16 am



"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

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Don't take me too seriously.

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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

Postby Sherlock » Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:21 am

But Shingon has yogatantra too which is said to bring Buddhahood in one life?

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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: Dr. Sanderson: Phowa etc. are directly from Saivism

Postby Crazywisdom » Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:16 pm

In the Chinese community I see Lamas teaching everything from the point of view of lower tantra. Tsok are vegetarian. And monks and nuns attend. The sutra influence is very strong. As is the whole super polite chinese culture. These are like upper castes. The words bliss of union are used but not explained and no one understands what is being said. When I bring it up, people act annoyed. They want to go back to imagining they are in league with flowery jewel covered dharma princes. There are many American Jews involved too. They have a strong Hinayana attitude.

Around the American hippies I know, they love to discuss tantra, but not seriously. They just love to hear themselves sound interesting. hYT doesn't reverse their predilections it reinforces them. Very few will ever get seriously into it. It's just for Nyingma lamas. I don't know a single practitioner seriously engaged in consort. Finding a suitable consort these days is something like a fantasy. I know one can go really high with the wisdom mudra and then a karma mudra will manifest like they did for Milarepa. But that is beyond rare.

In the case of the wrathful and funerary deities, everyone can understand dealing with death. Everyone gets real around that. I feel Dzogchen Ati style is most useful today. It deals scientifically with death and makes it clear how karma works in our life. It makes it obvious what liberation is instead of being lost in symbolism that mostly has nothing to do with our world. Especially the paths of natural visions of the bardo are very deep and undeniable amd appeal for our preference for I will believe it if I see it. Consort Vajrayana is basically over.
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