Restricted Publications-An Effective or Ineffective Tactic?

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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

Postby Grigoris » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:46 pm

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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

Postby conebeckham » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:04 am

Perhaps, Son of Buddha, but Buddhist Publishers know the audience is specialized, and always will be. Also, you don't account for overhead when calculating how much it costs to publish a book. The whole issue of "Dharma Money" or the "Dharma Marketplace" is a big one, and Buddhist book publishers are certainly a subset of the Buddhist-oriented Marketplace; still, without people taking the time and doing the work to publish, most of us wouldn't have access to 90+% of the Dharma information that is currently available. Now, paper books may be a dying breed, and E-Publishing the new thing, with piracy impacting profit, and therefore, to some degree, a curtailment of interest and investment on the part of publishers to engage in publishing in the first place.

I'm frankly not sure what your point is, unless it is that these books should be cheap(er). ??


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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

Postby conebeckham » Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:03 am

Hard to believe, but perhaps that's not their chief goal...


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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

Postby yegyal » Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:59 am

One of the reasons that Sanskrit titles are included at the beginning of Tibetan translations of Indian texts is to remind the reader of the kindness of the translators. This notion seems to be lost in the fray of these discussions about the cost of Dharma books. Elizabeth Callahan has been working on this book for years and people are talking about how much profit can be made selling bound up copies of ink on paper. That shows very little understanding of the value of the work. Of course, none of this would even get to the point of being published if there wasn't a sponsor supporting her. In fact, that's why all those books are available in Tibetan, because sponsors took it upon themselves to have them printed and made available for a nominal price. Even TBRC is funded by sponsors. So all this talk about things being free or available is all because of somebody else footing the bill. So rather than complaining about the costs of books like this, maybe you should appreciate how cheap it really is. What's dinner and a movie cost these days? Is that really worth more to you than being able to read the scriptures of your chosen religion?

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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

Postby ratna » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:27 am

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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

Postby Malcolm » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:55 pm





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Re: Restricted Publications-An Effective or Ineffective Tact

Postby yegyal » Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:25 pm

I was actually referring to SofB's description of book costs more than anything. It seems that this became a thread dedicated to a different topic since my last post.

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Re: Restricted Publications-An Effective or Ineffective Tact

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Re: Restricted Publications-An Effective or Ineffective Tact

Postby conebeckham » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:03 pm

Actually, reviewing the thread, there are really two issues that arose in this discussion: the cost, and the restrictions. There are a variety of opinions about both issues. Given the recent sale/buy-out of Snow Lion, a publisher that really provided a huge benefit for the Dharma IMO, by Shambhala, a more mainstream publishing house, I gotta wonder who's really getting rich.....restrictions would appear to limit sales, though some may argue they create demand, paradoxically. High prices also apparently limit sales. Piracy has an impact, too.

I know many translators, and I agree with Malcolm's assessment. I also don't think the publishers are Fat Cats.


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Re: Restricted Publications-An Effective or Ineffective Tact

Postby Tom » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:21 am

SoB what type of books are you costing out there? I can tell you that no one is getting rich off Buddhist books. Not the translators and not the publishers. At least not on important series like these:



These types of books require funds above beyond the sticker price. They only exist in part because of generous donors.

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Re: Restricted Publications-An Effective or Ineffective Tact

Postby Qing Tian » Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:27 am

Seems to me, from the sidelines, that restrictions and high prices are doing nothing more than creating a Veblen good.
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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

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Re: Restricted Publications-An Effective or Ineffective Tact

Postby conebeckham » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:34 pm

Son of Buddha, there's plenty of books for Buddhist "beginners" that are affordable.....a search through any used book store, or on-line, say at Alibris, or even Amazon, reveals this.

In general, a beginner shouldn't be reading Zabmo Nangdon, or Guyhagarbha, or Yeshe Lama, anyway, in my opinion.


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Re: Zabmo Nangdon to be published by Shambhala

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Re: Restricted Publications-An Effective or Ineffective Tact

Postby supermaxv » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:37 pm

Considering that you can easily walk into a used bookstore (at least around here in Seattle) and see dozens of very cheap (and sometimes very good) books about Buddhism (sometimes openly talking about extremely esoteric / secret subject matter), I really don't see how the pricing for these particular texts at all presents a barrier of entry that hurts Buddhism.


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