Jigme Lingpa about Islam

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Jigme Lingpa about Islam

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[XXI: Islam and its Origins]

Both these emperors (pa-ca) uphold the religious system of the
barbarians (kIa-kIa, i.e. Muslims), and because others submit to them as
much as possible, most Indians are also of the barbarian religion. It is
said in the Rab-dbye:89

In the Age of Degeneration, Aryabhumi CPhags-pa'i yul, India)
Will be filled with the religion of the barbarians.
Then Shambhala (Sham-bha-Ia) will be invaded by
The magic of the barbarians.
The king called Rudra (Drag_pa),90 an emanation of
Vajrapani (Phyag-na rda-rje), will at that time
Defeat all the barbarians and then
It is said that even as far as Aryabhumi
The teachings of the Buddha will be diffused.

So it was said. As for the origin of the [religion of the] barbarians, at a
time when the teacher Nagarjuna (KIu-sgrub) was residing in the
southern region, one called Kumarasena (gZhan-nu-sde), an upholder of
the pitaka, fell under the influence of an evil demon and so he composed
a treatise which claimed acts of injury to be the dharma.91 As for the
manner of this, it is said in the gSang-tshig:92

If a champion utterly without mercy
Does not flee in the face of battle
But joins battle with resolve
Then after dying he will go to paradise.

What I have said [about the Muslims] accords with these words.

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91. The source for this story is found in Tiiraniitha, pp. 117-19. In summary:
Kumarasena was expelled from the sangha after breaking his vows. He resolved
to found an alternative religion, for this purpose changing his name to Mti-rnathar
(Mahmad/Muhammad) and composing a scripture that preached violence.
This he concealed at "the place of Bi-sli-rni-lil [presumably the invocation
Bismi'llah, "In the name of God!"], the great demon among the asuras", located
in the Sulika country beyond Tho-gar (Tokharistan?). The scripture hidden there
was later revealed by a certain Ba'i-kharn-pa ("The Man [Born to] the
Begim/Begam"?). He was the son of a virgin of Khorasanal Khurasanl
Chorasmia whose body had been invaded by a cat that sprang from flowers she
had been collecting. He, Bai'-kharn-pa (who later came to be know as Ar-dho, a
name that has yet to be reconstructed) obtained teachings on the text directly
from Mti-rna-thar and later promulgated it in the vicinity of Ma-kha (Mecca). "As a
consequence of his preaching there the false religion of the bhriirna1Jas and
k~atriyas there came into being the royal dynasties of the Sa'i-da (Sayyids) and
Tu-ru-$ka (Turukkhas/Turks)": ibid., p. 118.
Simon Digby tentatively links the legend to "the descent of the Mongol ruling
houses from the ancestress Alanqilal Alang-goa, made pregnant by the Sun. But
it is the story as filtered through the consciousness of the descendants of Timur
and the Indian Mughals who were contemporaries of Taranatha. It has been
suggested that a major preoccupation of Akbar in his enquiries from the Jesuits
about Christianity was the parallel between the Virgin Mary and his own
ancestress. The legend plays an important role in the court ideologue Abu'lFazl's
formulation of Akbar's own [quasi-]divinity" (personal communication,
citing Abu'l-Fazl, Akbar-mirna, trans. H. Beveridge, 3 vols. (1897-1921), i, pp. 37,
39; text, ed. Blochmann et al., i, p. 12).

('Jigs-med-gling-pa's
"Discourse on India" of 1789
A Critical Edition and Annotated Translation of the
lHo-phyogs rgya-gar-gyi gtam
brtag-pa brgyad-kyi me-long)
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He's getting this (not the footnote, but the body of the text) from the Kalacakra Tantra, no?
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It's funny how each and every religion claims that it will dominate the earth at the exlusion of all others some time in the future...
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lostitude wrote:It's funny how each and every religion claims that it will dominate the earth at the exlusion of all others some time in the future...
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It's from the Kalachakra Tantra/related literature. He defeats the barbarians with his four-fold army of the four immeasurables. "Rudra", is another name for Shiva. So the king himself uses a name from "barbarian" Dharma. In Hindu cosmology, the Ardra Nakshatra, is ruled over by Rudra. The symbol of Ardra is a teardrop, and Rudra symbolizes destruction. The ruling planet is Rahu. My interpretation is that this symbolizes the king's wrathful behavior - transformation through destruction.

Other interpretations are also possible. I think the key here, is that these passages need to be interpreted.
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actually, Dudjom Rinpoche speaks in his prophecy, that

"...then, at the beginning of the wood male monkey year (2424/5), Rudrakulika, the Iron Cakravartin, will invade our realm from Shambhala with his emanational armies and destroy all traces of the barbarian forces, none excepted."

(Nyingma Shcool of Tibetan Buddhism, p.960)
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In the abrahamic traditions, there is the story of Gog and Magog. Some of the early islamic scholars viewed Turks as Gog and Magog because they were dangerous invaders, barbarians and shamanists/buddhists. Then most of the Turks became muslims... and it was difficult to keep on considering them as Gog and Magog... :tongue:
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