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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:34 pm 
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Lhug-Pa,

Explain to me how anything Samael Aun Weor wrote back in the sixties or seventies compares to the various recent academic books written by real professors in universities.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:57 pm 
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To answer your question (see the first link, specifically the quotes near the bottom) I'll repost what I'd written earlier today minus the part that caused the mods to delete it:

The Gnostics never died out, they just went underground. Read through the following threads if you don't believe it:

http://gnostic-community.org/forum/view ... 636#p11255

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:gno ... 80&bih=268

The Gnostic Teachings of Samael Aun Weor are not "new age-ish", because his teachings are actually of the New Age in the complete sense of the term.

The Revolutionary Gnostic Teachings of the New Age of Aquarius are the polar opposite of those teachings commonly referred to as new age-ish. The latter are a do-whatever-you-want type of spiritualism contaminated by channeling, mediumism, sexual misconduct, and many other types of degeneration. The former is for real Men and Women.

If you want to know what Samael Aun Weor himself wrote about new age-ish stuff and mediums, hippies, channelers, etc.; look up his lectures The Dionysian Wave and The Kalkian Personality.

Also, alwayson, Samael Aun Weor specifically mentioned by name all of the cultures that you mentioned here, in the context of Astrology in his book Practical Astrology.

Really, Practical Astrology by Samael Aun Weor is pure Sabianism, even though he interestingly enough did not mention the Sabians by name in that book (quite sure that he did in other writings though).

By the way, the term "New Age" was never meant to be in reference to yuppies playing with crystals and ouija boards or whatever, but is instead in reference to the authentic doctrine of the Age of Aquarius of the Precession of the Equinoxes that we've been talking about in this thread.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:09 am 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:55 am 
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http://gnostic-community.org/distributi ... t=20#p9388


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:09 pm 
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The Revolutionary Gnostic Teachings of the New Age of Aquarius
This is not new age???
Dionysian Wave, the Ancient Greek soccer fans reply to the Mexican wave!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:34 am 
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You seem an intelligent fellow Lhug-Pa. How you let yourself be fooled by that SAW stuff amazes me. Really. :shrug:


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The Dionysian Wave is basically a synonym for The Dayspring of Youth (see the classic book on practical Occultism of the same name), and of the New Age of Aquarius of the Precession of the Equinoxes:

http://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-sa ... -wave.html

The Vajra Wave (for balancing the Channels and Winds) and the Dionysian Wave (the Ganapuja/Eucharist/Pancatattva in combination with Samadhi and Chaste Sexual Enjoyment between Woman and Man) go hand in hand. :heart:

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Thanks for the compliment, but I don't believe everything Samael Aun Weor said. Moreover, he told us to only follow or own I Am (Christ (Bodhicitta), Kunjed Gyalpo), and that we should have our own direct experience instead of repeating others like parrots (the latter of which I've done too much of actually).

Until, if/when, I do experience more of the specific things Samael Aun Weor taught about, I basically go by his essential teachings only:

Meditation and Dream Yoga.

Yantra Yoga (Samael Aun Weor taught a short cycle of Yantra).

Chastity (not to be confused with celibacy), that is to keep the Sexual Energy/Thigle Drops in our body instead of wasting it. The Dalai Lama teaches this as well, as do authentic Yogis like Swami Sivananda (I know that this is said to not be relevant in Dzogchen, but whatever, what other people do in regard to this is their business. However Shardza Tashi Gyaltsen for example is a Dzogchen Master who achieved Rainbow Body, and he kept all his Vinaya and Tantra vows.

http://sacred-sex.org/methodology/getti ... nence.html

Ganapuja/Eucharist/Pancatattva, which is indispensable.

Protection Mantras and Ritual Magic.

Blessing the Plant Elementals when working with Medicine.

You may not agree with Samael Aun Weor; but all the main points, up to and including some essential Completion Stage aspects of Tantra, are found in his teachings.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:03 am 
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Lhug-Pa wrote:
Chastity (not to be confused with celibacy), that is to keep the Sexual Energy/Thigle Drops in our body instead of wasting it. The Dalai Lama teaches this as well, as do authentic Yogis like Swami Sivananda (I know that this is said to not be relevant in Dzogchen, but whatever, what other people do in regard to this is their business. However Shardza Tashi Gyaltsen for example is a Dzogchen Master who achieved Rainbow Body, and he kept all his Vinaya and Tantra vows.



Not really.

Semen is a waste product.

The key aspect of all tantric techniques, Buddhist, Hindu and even Dzogchen, is the center channel / sushumna / avadhuti, which is a real structure in the body.

Samael Aun Weor was cluless bro. Just give it up.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:14 am 
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Well if physical semen is a waste product in it's entirety, why then does the Dalai Lama talk about the importance of retaining it, without even mentioning ways to supposedly physically separate the "impure" part from the pure part?

The substance that is capable of creating Human Life is a "waste product"? Really? :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:15 am 
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Lhug-Pa wrote:
Well if physical semen is a waste product in it's entirety, why then does the Dalai Lama talk about the importance of retaining it



Where was this?

Do you realize in the root tantras such as the Hevajra, you are supposed to ejaculate?

So quite the opposite....


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:22 am 
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alwayson wrote:
The key aspect of all tantric techniques, Buddhist, Hindu and even Dzogchen, is the center channel / sushumna / avadhuti, which is a real structure in the body.


This doesn't contradict retaining the Thigle/Kunda/Jasmine Flower Drops/Bodhicitta.

Transmuted, the Kunda becomes the fuel that prompts the Kundalini to enter the Central Channel of the Sushumna.

There are a dozen or so related quotes of H.H. the Dalai Lama on the Sacred-Sex website.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:28 am 
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alwayson wrote:
Do you realize in the root tantras such as the Hevajra, you are supposed to ejaculate?

So quite the opposite....


Would have to get back to you on that after learning more about the history of this Tantra, and after seeing a reliable translation of it.

I do happen to have David Snellgrove's translation of the Hevajra Tantra from the library, right now in fact....


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:36 am 
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Also you ejaculate in the Cakrasamvara Tantra, and commentaries on the Guhyasamāja tantra.

In all the major root tantras you ejaculate.

Everyone knows that seminal retention during sexual practices is a late medieval invention. Lets not conflate consort practice with seminal retention.

Originally you were supposed to ejaculate in a menstrating pussy, and eat that shit as a way of viewing everything as pure, since in India these were considered polluting substances along with alcohol meat etc.

Are you not familiar with the Kapalika-type origins of Vajrayana?


Read the Cakrasamvara Tantra by David Gray.

Dr. Gray explains the evolution of the view over time.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:44 am 
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alwayson wrote:
I read the quotes of the Dalai Lama, and nowhere does he suggest seminal retention in daily life.


Yet nowhere does he suggest not retaining the semen in daily life.

And why would the Dalai Lama, a Dzogchen practitioner by the way as I'm sure you know, say that semen retention is indispensable for Karmamudra, if the Root Tantras say otherwise? That wouldn't make any sense.

Who's printings and/or translations of said Root Tantras are you reading anyway?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:32 am 
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samputa tantra is more interesting.


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Thanks. I'll look into what Mr. David Gray has to say about it, if I can get around to it in the near future.

Until then, I'll put my trust more in the words of H.H. Dalai Lama, and my own direct experience.

Just looked up Kapalika. It looks like it's related to Aghora and Kula. The latter at least of which Samael Aun Weor said is black magic (in reference to the Order of Kula).

Also, the Dalai Lama doesn't limit himself to Sarma, so why would he rely on it in contradistinction to Nyingma, IF the supposed ejaculatory methods of the Nyingmapa were more capable of leading sentient beings to Buddhahood faster?

Yungdrung Bön doesn't rely on Sarma either, and Samael Aun Weor wrote that the Böns practice White Tantra. How would Samael Aun Weor know this, considering that he wrote it in the early seventies, before there were English/Spanish books explicitly on Buddhist Sexual Alchemy, let alone Bönpo Karmamudra (in fact, I haven't even seen much if any mention of Karmamudra in any Bönpo books at all).


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:43 am 
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Lhug-Pa wrote:
Just looked up Kapalika. It looks like it's related to Aghora and Kula.



I hoped you didn't look it up on Wikipedia, because the article is simply trash, which is surprising since this is a fairly well known subject.......Kapalika and its Buddhist equivalent cremation ground ascetiscism directly gave rise to Kashmir Shavism, Vajrayana etc

Dzogchen recommends practicing in charnel grounds to this day :twothumbsup:


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:16 am 
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Not so much Wikipedia, as just skimming around the search results.

Is Kapalika from the Dravidians originally? Or is it outside the alleged Aryan-Vedic versus Dravidian-Tantric wars?

I didn't say that the Böns, or Shardza Tashi Gyaltsen himself, didn't write about sexual practice, just that I haven't seen any such writings yet.

But I did say that Samael Aun Weor most likely couldn't have come to the conclusion that the Böns practice Tantra with semen-retention by simply reading a book; considering that he wrote about it in the seventies.

Wouldn't mind practicing in cremation grounds myself, although it's probably not too smart to get near uncremated bodies that have been setting for awhile. A relatively freshly dead uncremated body would probably not be too dangerous to be around. Of course legitimate Mahasiddhas would most likely be immune to diseases that old dead bodies might be carrying.

And no, I wouldn't plan on eating any like Aghori's and/or Kaula's are said to do either. :rolleye:


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REally not to much to worry about with dead bodies excepting perhaps some contagious diseases, and after a few days no problem with that as well.
Occasionally they explode due to built up gases within, but other than that not much worry there.
The odor however is otherworldly, for most a week or so at or above room temperature.

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Heruka wrote:
samputa tantra is more interesting.


What does Samputa Tantra say about Karmamudra?


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