Karma Dorje wrote:
uan wrote:The teachings also talk about an infinite number of beings in the 10 directions of the universe etc. You're painting a picture that there is some sort of bull pen and as more people get born that there is a dearth of beings who've been previously in the human realm to come back and take rebirth. You're effectively saying "do the math" there's no way the beings taking rebirth could have come from anywhere but the animal realms. And those that are slaughtered at that.
I have not heard even so much as a shred of an argument to the contrary. Just the claim that "that's a projection", and endless misstatements of my position. I didn't say there's no way the beings could come from anywhere else. I said the most likely explanation is this. The one thing that is for certain is they aren't coming from the human realm. That's just simple arithmetic.
Why don't you explain why this makes no sense, based on buddhist teachings and scriptures?
Okay, simple Google search produced thishttp://www.prb.org/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx
The long and short of it is:
NUMBER WHO HAVE EVER BEEN BORN: 107,602,707,791
World population in mid-2011: 6,987,000,000
Percent of those ever born who are living in 2011: 6.5
So 108 Billon people have been more on this planet. 7 Billion currently alive. It would seem that there are, oh, 101 Billion previous human beings waiting to be reborn into the human realm.
Yes, not all coming from the human realm, though they could. Or those that have previously been in the human realm.
While were are on the way off topic subject, from Yahoo Answer to the question of how many animals/living creatures there might be alive on the planet:
There are an estimated 10^18 (that's 1 with 18 zeroes) Arthropods on earth (insects, arachnids, myriapods, and crustaceans) and an estimated 4 trillion fish (4*10^12)
but those are the only estimates I know of, the amounts of reptiles, birds, and mammals are small in comparison to those numbers, and there are animals like worms and Cnidarians that are incredibly plentiful as well. You'd have to imagine there are probably 10^25 animals on earth at LEAST
And in fact, zooplankton alone may outnumber all other animals combined
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 living creatures on this planet. That is a number to make one pause. We are so incredibly fortunate to have a human birth, and to be talking about the dharma, whether we agree or disagree.
Regardless of where they come, may each and every one take the most advantage that they possibly can while they have a precious human life. And what the numbers do show is that a human birth is very precious.