Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Karma Dorje » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:12 am

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Postby Grigoris » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:52 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Postby Jainarayan » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:43 pm

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Postby Jainarayan » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:58 pm

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Postby Grigoris » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:28 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Postby Jainarayan » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:14 pm

Worthy, wise and virtuous: Who is energetic and not indolent, in misfortune unshaken,
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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Karma Dorje » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:14 pm

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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Yudron » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:04 pm

Karma, this was a Saraswati puja led by an incredibly well-educated vedic scholar named Veeruji. There were a few incredibly knowledgeable people there, and a bunch of other good-hearted spiritual seekers.

I do know one or two people who seem to have enough knowledge to practice both Hindu and Buddhist tantra correctly. But most of us slobs are quite fortunate if we are able learn one tradition well, enough to practice well... much less be able to read and comprehend the language of origin, and have a grasp of its literary tradition.

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Postby Jainarayan » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:28 pm

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Postby Grigoris » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:48 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Postby Jainarayan » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:08 pm

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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Adamantine » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:21 am

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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Jainarayan » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:30 pm

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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Grigoris » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:40 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Jainarayan » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:53 pm

You know Greg, that story actually made me feel better. It restored my faith in human stupidity, er I mean human nature. If there are extraterrestrials watching us, they're either too afraid and horrified at our behavior to make contact, or they are laughing their butts off (assuming they have butts). :mrgreen:
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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Yudron » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:10 pm

I've done so many stupid things in my life--it's almost incalculable.
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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Grigoris » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:37 pm

The mere act of babbling a sing-song in a (largely unknown to me ) foreign language, sprinkling cups of wine and grains with "nectar" and then tossing them outside in order to gain the attention and benefit of protectors seems pretty stupidly superstitious to me! Why I drew the "stupid" line at how to place the serkyem afterwards is beyond me! :shrug:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Jainarayan » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:44 pm

You raise a good point: I've gotten into heated linguistics debates (I'm a linguistics geek) with certain "hardliners" (aw what the heck, they're Hindutvas) who claim that unless Sanskrit mantras are pronounced perfectly and without deviation from Pāṇini, the mantras have no benefit. When I've asked if a person with a speech impediment chants a mantra and cannot make a retroflex phoneme like the ṇ, is the mantra worthless? :roll: You know, I never did get an answer. Hmm...
Worthy, wise and virtuous: Who is energetic and not indolent, in misfortune unshaken,
flawless in manner and intelligent, such one will honor gain. - Digha Nikaya III 273

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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Adamantine » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:28 am

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Re: Startling issue about my yidam/ishta-devata is arising

Postby Adamantine » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:29 am

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