Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

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Postby Grigoris » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:12 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

Postby Astus » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:23 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

Postby Grigoris » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:26 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

Postby Aemilius » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:38 am

Concerning the Kakudhathera sutta:
It may be that Bhikkhuni Utpalavanna was translating from a different version of the pali text. It does happen, for some reason or other, that there appear new editions of the pali texts. I have understood some of the Musings of Sravasti Dhammika that he is saying, between the lines, that there has occurred some new editing of the very holy pali canon.
And by the way Bikkhuni Uppalavanna (Else Buchholz) is an interesting person:
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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

Postby Grigoris » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:52 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Postby Yudron » Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:50 am

Well, there you go. The mosquito effect was from this specific teacher's meditation experience.
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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

Postby andyn » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:16 pm

Even though I heard Master Hsuan Hua experienced this in his meditation, it's been giving me a headache and insecure thoughts. How could one person with one mind stream become animals with multiple mind streams? Is there a central mind that control all these animals? Do these animals that a person born into share thoughts and feelings? Moreover, when animal killed one another, then you're killing yourself??? All of these don't make sense, yet it stuck on my mind since it was said by Master Hsuan Hua, who is known to be a highly attained monk...Oh....... :cry:

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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

Postby Aemilius » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:08 am

You are just attached to the idea of a "self", which really doesn't exist. In the the Five Wisdoms of the Mahayana there is the Wisdom of Sameness; if you see all beings as Same, as Dharmata equally, as fundamentally not different form yourself, you don't have anything to fear by the loss of a separate and illusory "self".
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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

Postby Grigoris » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:11 am

The idea of "sameness" is that all beings have the same "value". That they are all equally worthy of compassion, love, respect, etc... The teaching aims at breaking down the idea of beings being ultimately seperate (ie it teaches that existence is interdependent). It does not mean that other beings are you, and vice versa. Buddhism teaches ndependent mindstreams. Buddhism does not talk of a universal consciousness of which we are all a part of (the idea of God Head). If mindstreams were not independent then if one being achieved Nirvana (or any other level of relaisation) then all beings would. This is VERY CLEARLY not the case since we know that the Buddha achieved liberation, yet here we are...

The self is illusory, yes, but even illusory existence is a type of existence.
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Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

Postby Aemilius » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:15 pm

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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

Postby Grigoris » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:38 pm

So why are you not liberated? Anyway, your above statement actually refutes, not supports, your point.
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

Postby Grigoris » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:58 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
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Re: Soul split into multiple mosquitoes?

Postby greentara » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:21 am

Outside the city limits
a temple.
In the temple, look,
a hermit woman.

In the woman's hand
a needle
at needle's end
the fourteen worlds.

O Lord of Caves,
I saw an ant
devour the whole
the woman, the needle,
the fourteen worlds.

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