Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Are they based on Sutra or Tantra?

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Mahamudra and Dzogchen: Are they based on Sutra or Tantra?

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Re: Mind versus Self?

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Re: Mind versus Self?

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Re: Mind versus Self?

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Re: Mind versus Self?

Postby JohnRammy » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:18 pm

Mahamudra and Dzogchen are based on a class of literature called tantras, not sutras.

If you want to speculate on what those tantras themselves are based on, I suggest you read "Center of the Sunlit Sky" first.
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Re: Mind versus Self?

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Re: Mind versus Self?

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Re: Mind versus Self?

Postby JohnRammy » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:57 pm

There was Mahamudra before Gampopa.

There were dudes called Marpa and Milarepa for example.
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Re: Mind versus Self?

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Re: Mind versus Self?

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Re: Mind versus Self?

Postby JohnRammy » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:49 pm

A key feature of the tantras is the nature of the mind i.e. the inseparability of clarity and emptiness.

Mahamudra is based on this.

Come on bro, even introductory books by the Dalai Lama mention this.

"According to Tantra, the ultimate nature of mind is essentially pure......"

Again, I suggest reading "Center of the Sunlit Sky" by Karl B. Or read the root tantras themselves.

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