lama tsewang wrote:That also , is a big problem , as you mention , yudron. I find it quite strange , if someone comes here to teach dharma here , asnd then is not committed to following through with it.
Is the purpose in coming here to really teach Dharma here, or is it to raise funds , for another place.
If thats the case, it should be stated honestly. What of numerous people here , who wnat to pursue , really pursue Dharma here , and dont do it properly.
I know of so many cases where people were given monastic precepts, and then were not taught by their teachers , at all about what to do , how to live etc...
Now where I am there are several Asian monks (in Vancouver , Canada) . They have given me a very different impression of whats going on
One of them , I know very well , who remarked to me, that I was only half trained , he said that my teachers were always travelling around and not looking after their students.
He also said to me again and again that when giving monastic precepts to the students , it is the responsibility of the Preceptor to look after their student .
The Tibetan Buddhist tradition here has a reputation among Buddhist monks for having precepts being given to people, and then the student gets abandoned. That is very sad, and is a serious case of misconduct on the part of the teacher.
Having a cadre of professional practitioners , is the best way to have Dharma taught here in a clear fashion , and of the greatest benefit to all practitioners here.
Yudron , there is also a kind of assumption on , the part , of your post, that the people here are not capable of being as effective , in their practice as some Asians, think about it.
Also look at some of the Asian monastic centres that are supported by us , the Tibetan ones. Many of them may just be glorified orphanages.
Kalu Rinpoche talked about this when he was here.
Actually, I agree with you about almost everything you have written. I must not have been expressing myself clearly. I certainly have absolutely no concept that we over here are not as effective in our practices as Asians. One of my main lamas is a Tibetan monk and Abbot who lives in what was formerly Tibet, and two are elder Tibetan Ngakpas who are now American Citizens. The Monk lama has done noble work establishing a new genuine monastery in Kham, two three year retreat centers, one Dzogchen retreat center for nuns to enter after completing their first three year retreat, and a shedra, as well as social/medical/educational support services for the lay people in the area around the monastery. He is very clear that he is here to raise money for them, and establish the Dharma here as well. But there are only so many dollars, and he has countless people back home relying on him for food, medicine and clothes. What to do? He didn't encourage many people to become monks and nuns here, but a bunch were inspired to do so (not me!) and it was (as usual) not possible for most of them to sustain it without a monastery here, so several are no longer monastics. What was he supposed to do, say not to them when they earnestly asked him for vows? That doesn't seem right, either.
It's true we need monks and nuns here, but currently the bulk of full time American Dharma people here are mostly the yogis and yoginis in long term retreat at the druptra facilities of Khenpo Kartar, Garchen Rinpoche, Lama Tharchin Rinpoche and Khentrul Lordro Thaye, some professional translators, and the people who work as Dharma centers. Few of these have taken permanent monastic vows, or wish to. I don't equate being a monastic with being a better practitioner.