Rajapadanam sasanam- the king is the first donor

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Re: Rajapadanam sasanam- the king is the first donor

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Postby Konchog1 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:29 am

Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Re: Rajapadanam sasanam- the king is the first donor

Postby Konchog1 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:18 am

Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

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Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

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Re: Rajapadanam sasanam- the king is the first donor

Postby shaunc » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:55 am

Hi earth-dragon. Wanting to spread the dharma is a very noble ambition but involving government is a recipe for disaster. My country Australia is a very peaceful place & although there are a number of reasons for this the seperation of religion & government is a very important reason for this. The best way to spread the dharma is to start with our own friends & family first. Good-luck & best-wishes.

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Re: Rajapadanam sasanam- the king is the first donor

Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:58 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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Postby Grigoris » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:43 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Postby wisdom » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:55 pm

Also its wrong to think there is no democracy in nature because we are a part of nature. Everything humans build, even if it destroys nature, is a part of nature. To think there is a separation between ourselves and what is natural is the fundamentally wrong view that produces our arrogance that makes us destroy our land, pollute our water, deplete our resources and may well lead to the destruction of all or most of the life on this planet if it doesn't come to an end.


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Re: Rajapadanam sasanam- the king is the first donor

Postby Sherlock » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:02 pm

I think Earth Dragon's main point is that if the ruling class in China develops more interest in Buddhism, their society at large and Buddhism will benefit as well, not to mention them probably letting up in Tibet.

Honestly I think that's the only way that Tibet will be able to maintain its culture, but I don't see that as very likely in the foreseeable future.

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Although many individuals in this age appear to be merely indulging their worldly desires, one does not have the capacity to judge them, so it is best to train in pure vision.
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Re: Rajapadanam sasanam- the king is the first donor

Postby JKhedrup » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:05 pm

What is most important – religion or beings?

~ 17th Karmapa Urgyen Trinley Dorje ~

As spiritual practitioners, it is essential for us to realize the importance of human beings. What is most important – religion or beings? In my view, beings are most important. The basis for religion is sentient beings. On the basis of that we have the desire to achieve happiness and abandon suffering. Without this basis, there would be no dharma. All teachings come from that basis of beings – the basis of existence.

These days, there are beings who do not realize this nature – who do not see the connection between the dharma and sentient beings. Consequently, in the name of religious faith, one harms other beings, which comes from not understanding which of the two is most important.

(From “Bodhi Magazine Interviews His Holiness The 17th Gyalwang Karmapa”, in “Heart Advice Of the Karmapa”, p. 138)

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Re: Rajapadanam sasanam- the king is the first donor

Postby Konchog1 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:45 pm

I think there is a difference between gov't support and a Crusade
Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra

"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."

-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats

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Re: Rajapadanam sasanam- the king is the first donor

Postby Grigoris » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:45 pm

In Greece, initially, the church was supported by the members of the church: via donations, etc... During this period the church amassed (and still has) huge quantities of wealth. Then, at some point in time, in order to garner favour with the church (a major political force as well since its followers basically voted as they were instructed to by their priest) it was decided that the Greek state would pay salaries to priests, that the church be exempt from paying tax, etc...

I, for example, am not a Christian. Why should I pay taxes to support an organisation that provides nothing of value to me, has huge capital holdings, tax exemption, etc...?

In the meantime, if you go to church on any day, except easter and christmas, you will find only late middle aged to old aged ladies. The only other time you may see young people is at a wedding or a baptism. Peole sem to be losing faith or not being drwan to churches. A major reason for this is that churches are no longer the central to community. Another problem is that with the guaranteed salary there was an influx of people looking for easy money (and it is very easy money) that did not have the moral/ethical behaviour that one would expect of somebody in that position. So there are countless incidents of economic and sexual scandals. Incidents which largely go upunished since the church still sways a large portion of the voting population.

I believe that if the priests had to live off donations then the church would benefit greatly since the only people that would become and remain clergy, would be those who could actually offered something positive to the community. People that would not be the laughing stock of their communties. People that would not just be interested in the money.

The other thing to take into account is that if a religious organisation depends on the government for its funding then it means it is essentially managed and directed by the government. In the case of China, I really don't think that would be such a positive thing.
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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