rangtong vs. zhentong

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Postby wayland » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:39 pm

Very interesting thread for me as well.

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Postby Johnny Dangerous » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:22 am

Great explanation, thanks.

The labeling thing really puts this in perspective..I think lol. Basically, it would be monism without Sautrantika notions of labeling..is that right? Basically it would only be monism if solely compared with Prasangika refusal (IIRC) to make assertions about labeling, or when presented as exclusive?
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Re: rangtong vs. zhentong

Postby Tom » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:28 pm

The question of what happens to an individual mind stream the moment it reaches enlightenment seems relevant here and for me at least the answer is not so simple. I think rather than sutras the commentaries on the tantras are where you will find the best descriptions on this. Also, the oral instructions with regard to the terms “all pervasiveness,” “inseparability,” and “attaining the state of vajradhara” in the context of a specific mind at the moment of enlightenment although probably not appropriate fodder for discussion in a forum certainly provide insight into the topic.


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