Mind equals thoughts?

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Mind equals thoughts?

Postby Konchog1 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 4:07 am

On Dakpo Tashi Namgyal's Clarifying the Natural State pg. 33 it says: "you must become certain that it is mind that merely appears or is seen as being thoughts. You must resolve that thoughts and mind are indivisible. [...] [the mind] does appear as a variety of thoughts. Even though it appears as them, it has not changed from being the aware emptiness of the mind that is not a definable entity."

This makes sense but I heard that one should 'let the mind rest in thought free lucidity' and of thoughts covering purity of the mind. Doesn't the mean that mind and thoughts are different things?
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Re: Mind equals thoughts?

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Re: Mind equals thoughts?

Postby muni » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:30 am

Locked in thoughts gives the arising of the conceptual world and is equal with locked in chasing moving mind.
Awareness aware is Mind, not chasing its movements just like the open vast sky is not chasing or hunting passing winds. Moving mind is chasing wind itself, not aware of the spacious sky at all.

The dependency of appearances / emptiness are not two things, seen as Awareness.

There is no thought/mind with its conceptual world when there is no grasping thought, what is grasping following thoughts or being locked in their flow of habitual fictitious stories, which are hiding (temporary) our peaceful nature.

That nature we all are, without exception.

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Re: Mind equals thoughts?

Postby heart » Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:42 am

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Re: Mind equals thoughts?

Postby muni » Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:04 am

I find it helpful to discern the conceptual conditioned, and non-conceptual nonconditioned in which thoughts are not identified as mine/ours.
:soapbox: Like the conceptual conditioned can be seen like some traditions call it little mind ( story of the frog ). That little one thinks to be the owner of thoughts but is infact enslaved by them (due to grasping to their solid reality I guess), while the nonconditioned or vast mind without beginning or end is mastering mind and the free thoughts are as nectar or light to show the delusion of me-thought or me-mind from which others-mind arises.

"The two main types of mind are explained as the conceptual and the non-conceptual. The conceptual is the "normal" mind aspect we use to survive in daily life, but is ultimately mistaken about the way in which reality exists. The non-conceptual type of mind is also called the Buddha nature, rigpa (Tib.), fundamental pure nature of mind which realises emptiness (see the page on Wisdom).
Study and training the mind in wisdom uses the conceptual mind, like preparing the mind before the underlying non-conceptual Buddha-nature of the mind can appear".

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Re: Mind equals thoughts?

Postby monktastic » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:05 am

This undistracted state of ordinary mind
Is the meditation.
One will understand it in due course.


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Re: Mind equals thoughts?

Postby anjali » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:43 am

All things are unworthy of clinging to (sabbe dhammā nâla abhinivesāyā). --Shakyamuni Buddha
Wanting to grasp the ungraspable, you exhaust yourself in vain. --Gendun Rinpoche

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