MM vs PK? Now THAT would be something to see.mutsuk wrote:Too easy. She has no training.Clarence wrote:mutsuk wrote:Why don't you challenge her to a debate? I would love to see that.
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BTW, it seems that this video can no longer be viewed on other websites, so here is the youtube link:dzogchungpa wrote:Well, nobody seems to want to recommend something, so here's one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zouDQoD5_Qs
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How curious. I've seen her before at teachings and empowerments. I had no idea she was famous on the internet and actually a teacher. From a distance, she just seems like a dedicated practitioner in the Nyingma tradition.
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I have taken an extraordinary measure as a courtesy to the students of the person under consideration: I have edited some posts and removed others that contradict our updated policy on enlightened speech (they were made before this policy was put into place). Any discontinuity in the discussion lies there.
I have also reopened the thread as a courtesy to the same persons, and would like to repeat my invitation to them to rebut, with facts and reason, any misstatements, inaccuracies, or outright slanders that may be present in this thread. This is a public forum, and as such, multiple perspectives are presented. Some of them will inevitably be contrary to your own convictions. If you would like to convince others of your point of view, then rebut those posts that you know to be counterfactual... with facts. That is how public debate works.
I also ask our members to remember that many of the same criticisms of this individual have already been made. If it's a dead horse, don't beat it. Instead, if anyone has any new or compelling evidence or ideas that bear upon this discussion, then by all means bring it up.
This thread has been way too much work for our team. If it becomes a problem again, we are closing it for good. But because it comes up right away in a google search for the term "Pema Khandro," those in her organization may have some incentive to speak up.
Thank you for your understanding.
I have also reopened the thread as a courtesy to the same persons, and would like to repeat my invitation to them to rebut, with facts and reason, any misstatements, inaccuracies, or outright slanders that may be present in this thread. This is a public forum, and as such, multiple perspectives are presented. Some of them will inevitably be contrary to your own convictions. If you would like to convince others of your point of view, then rebut those posts that you know to be counterfactual... with facts. That is how public debate works.
I also ask our members to remember that many of the same criticisms of this individual have already been made. If it's a dead horse, don't beat it. Instead, if anyone has any new or compelling evidence or ideas that bear upon this discussion, then by all means bring it up.
This thread has been way too much work for our team. If it becomes a problem again, we are closing it for good. But because it comes up right away in a google search for the term "Pema Khandro," those in her organization may have some incentive to speak up.
Thank you for your understanding.
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What's wrong with Aro-gter?mutsuk wrote:Agreed. Not to mention the Aro-gter endorsement which was mentioned above in this thread.
I've heard only a little of that direction so far and I'd appreciate someone enlightening me. This is for self-education, not for enjoying scandals or whatever.
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SatyaDakshina wrote: 1. Like most serious Tibetan Buddhists, she has more than one name. These were names and titles given from her Lamas. As per the Tibetan Buddhist tradition and her Lama's instructions she is teaching with the name of her tulku lineage.
So which Lama gave her the name Kali Ma?
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I, for one, am not prone to accepting Steven Seagal as an authentic Vajrayana teacher even though his recognition was from an impeccable and verified source. We are free to make our own choices. However in the case of a verified recognition I think a modicum of respect is appropriate, even if you do not personally find the person compelling....but any teacher who feels the need to be known by some special title, given to him or her under dubious circumstances, is not, in my opinion, someone you can completely entrust your spiritual future to, as with a genuine Vajrayana lama.
We each make our own decisions and are responsible for the consequences, for good or bad. I tend towards the conservative end of the spectrum in this regard.Of course, this caveat also knocks out a fairly large percentage of Western teachers on the scene today.
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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smcj wrote: a modicum of respect is appropriate, even if you do not personally find the person compelling.
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We each make our own decisions and are responsible for the consequences, for good or bad.
I wanted to underscore these two points. Probing and asking questions in the spirit of inquiry is laudable, but what's the use in piling on or engaging in gossip?
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OK, here are some questions. According to http://www.pemakhandro.org/pema-khandro/
What is the name of this yogini?She was recognized and enthroned as the tulku (reincarnation) of a nineteenth century yogini who practiced in the Nyingma and Kagyu lineages in Eastern Tibet.
Which institution granted this degree?She has a master’s degree in the study of Tibetan Buddhism
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It would also be helpful to know when and where the enthronement ceremony took place, and the circumstances under which she was recognized. I would think this person's organization would be keen to clarify this, given that the clarity around these issues seem to attract criticism.dzogchungpa wrote:OK, here are some questions. According to http://www.pemakhandro.org/pema-khandro/What is the name of this yogini?She was recognized and enthroned as the tulku (reincarnation) of a nineteenth century yogini who practiced in the Nyingma and Kagyu lineages in Eastern Tibet.Which institution granted this degree?She has a master’s degree in the study of Tibetan Buddhism
And when did she complete her post-baccalaureate work?
As an aside, the Ngakpa International website uses slightly different copy:
She was recognized and enthroned as the tulku (reincarnation) of a nineteenth century emanation of Varayogini and White Tara who taught and practiced in the Nyingma and Kagyu lineages in Eastern Tibet
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Jikan wrote:It would also be helpful to know when and where the enthronement ceremony took place, and the circumstances under which she was recognized. I would think this person's organization would be keen to clarify this, given that the clarity around these issues seem to attract criticism.dzogchungpa wrote:OK, here are some questions. According to http://www.pemakhandro.org/pema-khandro/What is the name of this yogini?She was recognized and enthroned as the tulku (reincarnation) of a nineteenth century yogini who practiced in the Nyingma and Kagyu lineages in Eastern Tibet.Which institution granted this degree?She has a master’s degree in the study of Tibetan Buddhism
And when did she complete her post-baccalaureate work?
As an aside, the Ngakpa International website uses slightly different copy:
She was recognized and enthroned as the tulku (reincarnation) of a nineteenth century emanation of Varayogini and White Tara who taught and practiced in the Nyingma and Kagyu lineages in Eastern Tibet
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Why did you post that video frank? I'm not sure how it relates to the discussion here, or furthers it.frank123 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbugIrAIKts
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On the other hand, wondering what others think of this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zouDQoD5_Qs
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I posted it Adamantine because we are disscussing Pema Khandro teachings.Does this help you see how it is related?Adamantine wrote:Why did you post that video frank? I'm not sure how it relates to the discussion here, or furthers it.frank123 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbugIrAIKts