Ng'mu wrote:... there was tantra in zen. Fudo-Myo-O is sooo tantric.
Love the vajra sword, and the blue boy skin.
Yes, Fudo Myou is a tantric diety. Please help me understand your position: what has that to do with Zen, or the topic at hand?
Everything is connected its just a matter of degrees and seeing the functions, or the single essence.
Everyone thinks differently, has different knowledge and different context.
So I start with the point it all starts for me conceptually, then I have all the points I can relate to in the story;
which has two sides the story and the random data from my own experience and memory.
What I am looking for is the function(s), what connects it all.
Tantrics argue that its all empty or all rigpa awareness, that is an absolute connection.
but relatively if I am making a personal threat to others of their property
like the evidence of Tenpa points to then one should be locked up or wrathfully stopped.
The thread about the buddha prohibiting the monastics from displaying miracle powers is very telling
and esanhga's maric fall and this debacle are pale shades of where that can go. Power gained from tantric experiences
of emptiness or rigpa, combine with ego is ugly, and does not seem to me anything that the buddha was talking about or perhaps everything
which appears to be why there were so many rules for the haughty monastics. (and that haughty term in from a tantra)