Tilopa, even the idea that you understand that fact is accompanied by a subtle pleasure and attachment.Tilopa wrote:That is the point. All sexual activity by ordinary people creates negative karmic imprints on the mind. Not necessarily of sexual misconduct but definitely of attachment. Not a good thing when we're trying to overcome our delusions.Pero wrote:When sex isn't motivated by attachment?
I think you are missing the point of this whole discussion - yes, of course any action engaged with attachment will create karma. The discussion was specifically about the issue of "sexual misconduct." According to WOMPT, masturbation, oral & anal sex are considered misconduct, whereas "ordinary heterosexual" intercourse is not.Tilopa wrote:That is the point. All sexual activity by ordinary people creates negative karmic imprints on the mind. Not necessarily of sexual misconduct but definitely of attachment. Not a good thing when we're trying to overcome our delusions.Pero wrote:When sex isn't motivated by attachment? Anyway, you're missing the point
Pero wrote:To me that is just non-sense and I don't care that it's in WOMPT. There is no logical reason to assume that any sexual act will result in a negative fruit unless one is hurting the other person while doing it.
So what?Virgo wrote:Tilopa, even the idea that you understand that fact is accompanied by a subtle pleasure and attachment.
I think you are right...sorry.dakini_boi wrote:I think you are missing the point of this whole discussion - yes, of course any action engaged with attachment will create karma. The discussion was specifically about the issue of "sexual misconduct." According to WOMPT, masturbation, oral & anal sex are considered misconduct, whereas "ordinary heterosexual" intercourse is not.
That reconditions more attachment again and again, like sex, eating, seeing a nice painting, reading a good book, etc.Tilopa wrote:So what?Virgo wrote:Tilopa, even the idea that you understand that fact is accompanied by a subtle pleasure and attachment.
Yep samsara sucks.Virgo wrote: That reconditions more attachment again and again, like sex, eating, seeing a nice painting, reading a good book...
Samsara, nirvana, whatever. It's just tsal.Tilopa wrote:Yep samsara sucks.Virgo wrote: That reconditions more attachment again and again, like sex, eating, seeing a nice painting, reading a good book...
No problem, I'm glad we were able to clear up one little miscommunication in this thread!Tilopa wrote: I think you are right...sorry.
Yes, that's what I wanted to say.dakini_boi wrote:I think you are missing the point of this whole discussion - yes, of course any action engaged with attachment will create karma. The discussion was specifically about the issue of "sexual misconduct." According to WOMPT, masturbation, oral & anal sex are considered misconduct, whereas "ordinary heterosexual" intercourse is not.Tilopa wrote:That is the point. All sexual activity by ordinary people creates negative karmic imprints on the mind. Not necessarily of sexual misconduct but definitely of attachment. Not a good thing when we're trying to overcome our delusions.Pero wrote:When sex isn't motivated by attachment? Anyway, you're missing the point
Pero wrote:To me that is just non-sense and I don't care that it's in WOMPT. There is no logical reason to assume that any sexual act will result in a negative fruit unless one is hurting the other person while doing it.
I think, in context, Pero was saying that he didn't agree that anal/oral/masturbation were inherently less virtuous than "ordinary heterosexual" intercourse. Correct me if I'm wrong, Pero.
So this is why most tantric Buddhists are old, unmarried virgins with a grumbling face.Namdrol wrote:Ultimately it means that tantric Buddhists should not have sexual partners who are not also practitioners.Kelwin wrote:Yup, I know that, but I find that difficult to combine with other instructions. How could I possibly have sex in a state of awareness and not regard my girlfriend to be a deity? What distinction am I missing here?Namdrol wrote:It is a branch downfall to regard a consort who has not been ripened by empowerment as deity.
Right. Just like French people are horrible, all Americans are fat and overweight, all their daughters have rifles, all wiccan women have fuzzy armpits and apartments with cat urine in them, and hmmm... let me think what else.Kai wrote: So this is why most tantric Buddhists are old, unmarried virgins with a grumbling face.
Let me help you......Virgo wrote:Right. Just like French people are horrible, all Americans are fat and overweight, all their daughters have rifles, all wiccan women have fuzzy armpits and apartments with cat urine in them, and hmmm... let me think what else.Kai wrote: So this is why most tantric Buddhists are old, unmarried virgins with a grumbling face.
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Well, with that avatar...Nemo wrote:I found that many Asian women were surprised that I did not smell bad. Caucasians are renowned for having a horrible body odour. Breaking stereotypes is fun.
What are you talking about? Asian women love Caucasians. In many cases, more than their own countrymen. So much for stereotype.......Nemo wrote:I found that many Asian women were surprised that I did not smell bad. Caucasians are renowned for having a horrible body odour. Breaking stereotypes is fun.
Many Asians do have gwailo("ghost" guy) fever. You must not know Asian women very intimately though. Their is a strong love hate relationship with Caucasians. There are many things someone tells a lover, but not an acquaintance. They had more and stronger preconceptions closely tied to their own insecurities and fantasies than I expected. I guessed it was because Asian culture was much more insular and monocultural than ours.Kai wrote:What are you talking about? Asian women love Caucasians. In many cases, more than their own countrymen. So much for stereotype.......Nemo wrote:I found that many Asian women were surprised that I did not smell bad. Caucasians are renowned for having a horrible body odour. Breaking stereotypes is fun.
Hi Namdrol,Namdrol wrote:Semen, like feces and urine, is a waste product.
Just curious, is the teaching on the parity of these substances a feature of your school or is it more widespread?Whether male or female, whenever we experience the release of energy that accompanies sexual orgasm - regardless of the emission of gross fluids - we lose subtle creative drops, called "bodhichitta" or "jasmine flower drops (Skt. kunda).
It is from Tibetan Medicine as well as Dzogchen Nyinthig.wayland wrote:Hi Namdrol,Namdrol wrote:Semen, like feces and urine, is a waste product.
I have never yet encountered any instructions which equate the qualities of semen with those of feces or urine...Just curious, is the teaching on the parity of these substances a feature of your school or is it more widespread?
