Six New Sutra Translations by 84000

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Six New Sutra Translations by 84000

Postby Losal Samten » Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:11 am

The Question of Maitreya
http://read.84000.co/#UT22084-044-005/title

The Question of Maitreya on the Eight Qualities
http://read.84000.co/#UT22084-044-006/title

The Illusory Absorption
http://read.84000.co/#UT22084-055-004/title

The Absorption That Encapsulates All Merit
http://read.84000.co/#UT22084-056-002/title

The Teaching on the Extraordinary Transformation that is the Miracle of Attaining the Buddha’s Powers
http://read.84000.co/#UT22084-061-006/title

The Sūtra of the Inquiry of Jayamati
http://read.84000.co/#UT22084-061-014/title
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Re: Six New Sutra Translations by 84000

Postby maybay » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:21 am

How should one read Mahayana sutras? Is there some framework, some order, or does one just pick up whatever's available?
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Do nothing and everything
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Postby Lobsang Chojor » Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:59 am

My Geshe has said that if they discuss emptiness they are definitive and if they discuss anything else they are provisional.

However I know nothing about the order in which to read sutras.

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Postby Sentient Light » Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:53 pm

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Re: Six New Sutra Translations by 84000

Postby Lucas Oliveira » Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:01 pm

84000 Marks Launch of New Virtual Reading Room with Release of 10 Translated Tibetan Texts

I participate in this forum using Google Translator.


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Postby Sentient Light » Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:36 pm

Thank you, OP, for sharing these sutras. I've managed to read through all of them now except for the first. Some comments:

The Questions of Maitreya on the Eight Qualities

I really enjoy how, aside from the context of cultivating bodhicitta, the content of this teaching could've easily come straight from the Madhyama Agama.

The Illusory Absorption

The imagery of the sutra is glorious and it's a Pure Land samadhi text that I'd never before known about. I will admit that the rather sexist ending threw me off, as I'd understood that the whole concept of womanhood in the Pure Land was more or less a choice--you can manifest the appearance of whatever gender you fancy, really--and this is a little more explicitly disparaging (although still not completely, like some other sutras). It also comes out of left-field--the mention of gender is nowhere to be found in the accompanying verses--and seems like it's just tacked on. I'm inclined toward the idea that it was tacked on at some point because of this, although I'd really love to see linguistic analyses done on the Tibetan and Chinese (and if that section exists in Sanskrit, that as well) compared to earlier sections to see if that holds up. I will also mention that I went to compare it against the Prophecy Bestowed Upon Avalokitesvrara Sutra to see if the Buddha and Pure Land names of Avalokitesvrara and Mahasthamaprapta lined up (they do). Either way, very interesting text.

The Absorption that Encapsulates All Merit

I love this sutra. It's incredible and is perhaps one of the clearest elucidations on bodhicitta I've encountered within the Tripitaka. There's a suggestion that bodhicitta is like a perpetuated samadhi state, which I find particularly interesting, but it seems to make sense--once you have awakened bodhicitta, is there any phenomena experienced, any action or speech or thought that is not the result of the mind being fixed toward achieving the alleviation of suffering for all beings?

The Teaching on the Extraordinary Transformation that is the Miracle of Attaining the Buddha’s Powers

I am very very very curious if Vajrapani's named is rendered as Vajrapani in the Chinese or Sanskrit versions as well, or if this is unique to the Tibetan. If it is not unique, this would be strong evidence that Mahasthamaprapta and Vajrapani were always considered the same being and is not simply a result of Tantric associations later on.

The Sutra of the Inquiry of Jayamati

I really enjoy this, but I think the most interesting thing about it is the historical context in Introduction. They make a very strong case for the idea that the Jayamati text must have predated the Surangamasamadhi Sutra, the latter of which is regarded as among the oldest Mahayana texts we've ever found a copy of. This further compounds evidence that the Mahayana sutras must have already been formulated and in circulation before the turn of the millennium, at least among a good proportion of the Early Schools. I have long maintained that it makes no sense for the Mahasamghikas to just 'create' new scriptures out of nowhere when they were the ones who were adamant about not adding to the Vinaya, and if we accept the idea that the Mahasamghikas split off from the Sthavirans in 334 BCE (the common consensus on when the Second Buddhist Council took place), when this is only a Vinaya dispute and NOT a doctrinal dispute of any other sort, and we also accept that the Mahayana texts must have been in wide circulation by 100 BCE (if we project the Jayamati sutra to have been known at this time since it predates Surangama Samadhi), then we're only left with something around two centuries or just slightly less than that for such a robust system of bodhisattvas, other world systems, etc. to have been developed. And while two centuries may sound like a long time, that is only about 2.5 generations of people. Not enough time, I would think, to develop as detailed a cosmological system as we see being referred to in the beginning of the Jayamati text as if it these names are already familiar to people.
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Re: Six New Sutra Translations by 84000

Postby Boomerang » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:17 am

"All the suffering of the lower realms, whatever difficulty and unhappiness we may experience as human beings, as well as every other possible suffering of the three realms of existence, have their origin in cherishing ourselves more than others."

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Postby Sentient Light » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:51 pm

:buddha1: Nam mô A di đà Phật :buddha1:
:bow: Nam mô Quan Thế Âm Bồ tát :bow:
:bow: Nam mô Đại Thế Chi Bồ Tát :bow:

:buddha1: Nam mô Bổn sư Thích ca mâu ni Phật :buddha1:
:bow: Nam mô Di lặc Bồ tát :bow:
:bow: Nam mô Địa tạng vương Bồ tát :bow:

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Postby jmlee369 » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:30 am

Another factor is the tendency of English translators to simply use Vajrapani rather than translating the various titles of the bodhisattva. For example, while most migtsema translations use the name Vajrapani in the third line, the accurate translation of the Tibetan is actually Guhyapati, Lord of Secrets.

Not sure how modern the conflation of the attendant bodhisattva in Sukhavati is though, seems like Tibetans have held Vajrapani and Mahatshamaprapta to be the same for some time. Here's a from the 17th century where the attending bodhisattva is depicted with Vajrapani's iconograpy.

I've never heard of Vajrapani as an emanation of Avalokitesvara in Chinese Buddhism. He's always his own figure, derived largely from tantric texts like the seven Medicine Buddhas sutra, associated with the yaksas and one of the eight great bodhisattvas. There is however, the case of a commentary by Amoghavajra on the 理趣經 where he explains that Vajrapani is actually Samantabhadra, who having received vajra of five wisdoms and the vajra initiation from Vairocana Buddha, received the name Vajrapani.

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Postby Anders » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:57 pm

"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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:buddha1: Nam mô A di đà Phật :buddha1:
:bow: Nam mô Quan Thế Âm Bồ tát :bow:
:bow: Nam mô Đại Thế Chi Bồ Tát :bow:

:buddha1: Nam mô Bổn sư Thích ca mâu ni Phật :buddha1:
:bow: Nam mô Di lặc Bồ tát :bow:
:bow: Nam mô Địa tạng vương Bồ tát :bow:


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