meditation in crowds

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meditation in crowds

Postby maybay » Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:22 pm

I find meditation around complete strangers makes use of the social tension and distractions to actually sober and humble the mind. A sense of direction comes a lot easier than when I'm alone.
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Re: meditation in crowds

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:16 pm

I find that my mind is much less distracted in noisy places than in quiet solitude, as long as I am not involved in the activity around me. I think this is probably because quiet solitude is more of a challenge because there is not as much incoming sensory stimulus, and this forces me to "confront" my own mental activity on a more immediate level.
It also may be due to the fact that I live in a noisy city environment to begin with, so when I go to the woods or out into the country i am distracted by just how nice and quiet it is.
My only real distraction when meditating in a busy area, is thinking that people are going to wonder, "why is that old man just sitting there like that?". Years ago i used to meditate in a local city park, but people would always come up to me and say, "HEY! are you meditating?" so, I stopped doing that.
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Re: meditation in crowds

Postby ronnewmexico » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:08 pm

Perspective I'd guess...

Searching out elaborate and sublime events of threat, bodily and otherwise seems the way to go at times, and at times not.

Finding all is about the same threat and peacefull situation, it then becomes irrelevent.
But is not that just a mundane thing then?....well the product is the proof, I answer.

As the mind is in threat in peace in activity and nonactivity is as it may be observed to be.
If observed to be interesting,, not blissfull nor happy nor in pain nor sad, but interesting.... I'd say no...most forcefully this is not the mundane thing but a thing apart.

So seeing that all become the meditation. Formal as well as nonformal. Postured as well as not. Posture being in the end a means, the means to enable focus of attention and not a end of itself, as is meditation a means not a end of itself, a means to understand and maintain interest, in what is.

In the end they say one is just hauling water and chopping wood...same as before. Searching for some other devine or blissful water and wood is quite mistaken. As bliss and pain are the same, not differing the slightest bit. So meditation and nonmeditation are the same not differing a bit.

Once I was meditating in a temple and the peoples around me were making a big noise. So they then asked me if their noise was disturbing me.
I said no and thought...;what use a meditation if it be so disturbed. This thing of meditation and view must be strong and deep enough to withstand the visions of the bardo when our lifes breath appears as water to be breated in choking one, and our bodily constituant appears as dirt, smothering and crushing us and other things of even more fear producing.

What use if I be so disturbed by such little things. Running from dogs, hounds of death I must be able to maintain this thing of meditation and view...if not it is quite useless.

So I meditate in whatever I do and how I do it. Walking in the forest a lot, where in five minutes or so I will be. Not that I prefer that place but as
it is here before me.
And my body I use it and listen to it.....die it will I must know what it is saying...that meditation as well,

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but some may say this is not buddhism....I care not.... I welcome the bardo and will see whose view holds in that place of no view. As surely this place will come.
Perhaps I am the fool. IN this life then I will be that fool, totally and completely foolish to think one may meditate in this fashion.
I can not escape or run from it in this life for it is the rational that leads me to it and holds me there.

Finding I am no longer that cool kid...who sits for hours upon hours in posture, in snow or rain, or storm or bright sun, or in graveyard or in mountain peak, but am that one who just walks and sits and talks and does things or not....am I then not the same?
Some would say forceibly not. MY hair now long not shaved, they say perhaps I am but mundane. I say yes it is true...mundane and devine they are the same.

So meditate in crowds I say and firmly agree...it is a good thing to my opinion. I would do it if one finds it of interest. If not I would not do it.
I go now to the forest...it interests me. If not I would not go there.
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Re: meditation in crowds

Postby Paul » Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:23 pm

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Postby Paul » Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:53 pm

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Postby Paul » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:58 pm

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell


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