Question on meditation

Discussion of meditation in the Mahayana and Vajrayana traditions.
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Question on meditation

Postby kaiel » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:35 pm

One of the reasons I am drawn to Buddhism is the "you can see for yourself" aspect through meditation, as opposed to the "believe it cause the bible says so" approach of my former religion. In fact I find this quote below to be amazing, as Buddha obviously wasn't some guy trying to simply attract followers.

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.....etc..."

That being said, as I begin to practice, how do I know which meditation is best for a beginner, how will I know I am not a beginner any longer? As those who practice, did the meditation validate for you the teachings of Buddhism?

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Re: Question on meditation

Postby Paul » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:54 pm

Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell

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Re: Question on meditation

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:40 am

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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
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Re: Question on meditation

Postby catmoon » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:31 am

There are many forms of meditation, but there is one form that is found almost everywhere meditation is practiced; meditation that takes the breath as its object. Why not start there?
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Re: Question on meditation

Postby Tarpa » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:37 am

There's nothing religious about meditation, what's called shamata / shinay / calm abiding / one pointedness, start there.
Unique Buddhist meditation uses that foundation of stability to focus, develop insight into the nature of mind and phenomena,what's called insight meditation, vipassana, lahktong.
Start with shamata and if you desire to explore Buddhadharma then you will develop insight through studying it, and then practicing it.
Resolve all doubts about what ever practice you are doing, ask questions, do it properly, and have confidence you are doing it properly, then you can truly settle into it properly.
The path is work, if you put the work in you will get result, otherwise what's the point of all the hard work ?
If you apply specific antidotes in a specific way to specific delusions and obscurations you will attain specific results.
Realization isn't an all or nothing affair, it comes in bite size chunks along the path.
At first it's really about familiarization with the path, practice, terminology, and gaining some comprehensive general understanding, through study and practice you will gain confidence.
Happy trails.
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Re: Question on meditation

Postby Tarpa » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:10 am

His Holiness the Dalai Lama on Spiritual Progress

What is progress? How do we recognize it? The teachings are like a mirror before which we should hold our activities of body, speech, and mind. Think back to a year ago and compare the stream of activities of your body, speech, and mind at that time with their present condition. If we practice well, then the traces of some improvement should be re...flected in the mirror of Dharma.

The problem with having expectations is that we usually do not expect the right things. Not knowing what spiritual progress is, we search for signs of it in the wrong areas of our being. What can we hope for but frustration? It would be far better to examine any practice with full reasoning before adopting it, and then to practice it steadily and consistently while observing the inner changes one undergoes, rather than expecting this or that fantasy to become real.

The mind is an evolving organism, not a machine that goes on and off with the flip of a switch. The forces that bind and limit the mind, hurling it into unsatisfactory states of being, are impermanent and transient agents. When we persistently apply the practices to them, they have no option but to fade away and disappear.

Ignorance and the "I"-grasping syndrome have been with us since beginningless time, and the instincts of attachments, aversion, anger, jealousy and so forth are very deeply rooted in our mindstreams. Eliminating them is not as simple as turning on a light to chase away the darkness of a room. When we practice steadily, the forces of darkness are undermined, and the spiritual qualities that counteract them and illuminate the mind are strengthened and made firm. Therefore, we should strive by means of both contemplative and settled meditation to gain stability in the various Lam Rim topics.(p.176)

--from The Path to Enlightenment by H.H. the Dalai Lama, edited and translated by Glenn H. Mullin, published by Snow Lion Publications
The nonexistence of the transcendence of suffering
is what the protector of the world has taught as the transcendence
of suffering.
Knots tied on space
are untied by space itself.

May I never be seperated from perfect masters in all lives,
and delightfully experiencing the magnificent dharma,
completing all qualities of the stages of the paths
may I quickly attain the state of Vajradhara

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Re: Question on meditation

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Re: Question on meditation

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
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Re: Question on meditation

Postby Meditator » Fri May 04, 2012 10:45 pm

Kirtu, are you on River Rd , NW of Potomac by any chance?

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Re: Question on meditation

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche


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