Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

[Josef]

What is the best resource to become familiar with using the damaru and the mudras for the medium and long tun? I mean they are in the text, but there's a lot of guesswork if that's all I use.

The best way to learn how to use the damaru is by practicing in a group.

[Johnny Dangerous]

What is the best resource to become familiar with using the damaru and the mudras for the medium and long tun? I mean they are in the text, but there's a lot of guesswork if that's all I use.

The best way to learn how to use the damaru is by practicing in a group.

I have a Lama I can ask for basic instruction in a thing like that, but i'm not sure that would help with the specific way to use it with the Tuns and Ganapuja, would it?

[Sherab Rigdrol]

The damaru isn’t used in medium and long tuns. A ritual drum is used in the Ngagkong but it’s not necessary.

Best resource for the mudras is the Tundus Tundrin Tungyas dvd.

[Johnny Dangerous]

The damaru isn’t used in medium and long tuns. A ritual drum is used in the Ngagkong but it’s not necessary.

Best resource for the mudras is the Tundus Tundrin Tungyas dvd.

Ah thank you, I will pick that up.

[laowhining]

What is the best resource to become familiar with using the damaru and the mudras for the medium and long tun? I mean they are in the text, but there's a lot of guesswork if that's all I use.

The best way to learn how to use the damaru is by practicing in a group.

I have a Lama I can ask for basic instruction in a thing like that, but i'm not sure that would help with the specific way to use it with the Tuns and Ganapuja, would it?

I think Josef likely meant practice with DC members to learn how it’s done in the DC (which one presumes is how Rinpoche did it, or at least relatively close).

[Johnny Dangerous]

The best way to learn how to use the damaru is by practicing in a group.

I have a Lama I can ask for basic instruction in a thing like that, but i'm not sure that would help with the specific way to use it with the Tuns and Ganapuja, would it?

I think Josef likely meant practice with DC members to learn how it’s done in the DC (which one presumes is how Rinpoche did it, or at least relatively close).

I'd love that if it were possible for me, and would jump at the chance. One of the supreme ironies of my Dharma life is that I have access to all kinds of amazing Dharma teachers from other lineages, but no in person access to DC people at all, and regrettably never got to meet ChNN in person.

[Tata1]

Can anyone conect to the prqcticing toghether today?

[Josef]

What is the best resource to become familiar with using the damaru and the mudras for the medium and long tun? I mean they are in the text, but there's a lot of guesswork if that's all I use.

The best way to learn how to use the damaru is by practicing in a group.

I have a Lama I can ask for basic instruction in a thing like that, but i'm not sure that would help with the specific way to use it with the Tuns and Ganapuja, would it?

It definitely would help. Doing ganapuja or another practice with someone who knows how to perform the mudra and instruments is an excellent way to learn.

[Josef]

I have a Lama I can ask for basic instruction in a thing like that, but i'm not sure that would help with the specific way to use it with the Tuns and Ganapuja, would it?

I think Josef likely meant practice with DC members to learn how it’s done in the DC (which one presumes is how Rinpoche did it, or at least relatively close).

I'd love that if it were possible for me, and would jump at the chance. One of the supreme ironies of my Dharma life is that I have access to all kinds of amazing Dharma teachers from other lineages, but no in person access to DC people at all, and regrettably never got to meet ChNN in person.

you can still do your best and learn from who you have access to.

[laowhining]

I think Josef likely meant practice with DC members to learn how it’s done in the DC (which one presumes is how Rinpoche did it, or at least relatively close).

I'd love that if it were possible for me, and would jump at the chance. One of the supreme ironies of my Dharma life is that I have access to all kinds of amazing Dharma teachers from other lineages, but no in person access to DC people at all, and regrettably never got to meet ChNN in person.

you can still do your best and learn from who you have access to.

It’s all relative anyway. Even senior SMS teachers do the mudras a bit differently sometimes. The main point is the intention and awareness, I think. You could learn what is available to you and do your best and then if you happen to practice with DC sangha at some point, learn then what’s different, if anything.

[Johnny Dangerous]

I'd love that if it were possible for me, and would jump at the chance. One of the supreme ironies of my Dharma life is that I have access to all kinds of amazing Dharma teachers from other lineages, but no in person access to DC people at all, and regrettably never got to meet ChNN in person.

you can still do your best and learn from who you have access to.

It’s all relative anyway. Even senior SMS teachers do the mudras a bit differently sometimes. The main point is the intention and awareness, I think. You could learn what is available to you and do your best and then if you happen to practice with DC sangha at some point, learn then what’s different, if anything.

Yeah this is pretty much my plan, I regularly do a Kriya practice that has all kinds of mudras etc., they are just very different than what's in the tuns.

[Johnny Dangerous]

So I’m trying to really apply myself to the Short Tun for now. I bought the book on it and it is quite helpful. It doesn’t say how many mantra repetitions to do during the Anuyoga portion, is there a set number?

[Könchok Thrinley]

So I’m trying to really apply myself to the Short Tun for now. I bought the book on it and it is quite helpful. It doesn’t say how many mantra repetitions to do during the Anuyoga portion, is there a set number?

Depends on you really. I think traditionally 3 is a minimum when it comes to mantras.

[jet.urgyen]

So I’m trying to really apply myself to the Short Tun for now. I bought the book on it and it is quite helpful. It doesn’t say how many mantra repetitions to do during the Anuyoga portion, is there a set number?

Rinpoche did, in collective practices, usually a round. In personal or intensive practice there is no limit if one remains in state of contemplation.

[Mantrik]

So I’m trying to really apply myself to the Short Tun for now. I bought the book on it and it is quite helpful. It doesn’t say how many mantra repetitions to do during the Anuyoga portion, is there a set number?

ChNN wrote in his Teachings on the Thun and the Ganapuja that in Collective Practices we can recite the mantra about 21 times. So I personally take that as a minimum and do what I have time for as continuously and one-pointedly as I can without distraction.
There's a lot more explanation and elaboration in this great little book.

[Könchok Thrinley]

Thanks Mantrik. Then correction 21 it is.

[lelopa]

In a webcast ChNN said:
"recitation of seven Mantras is short practice, fourteen Mantras are medium and 21 Mantras are long practice"

[Tongnyid Dorje]

And Guru Rinpoche says that minimun is one mala, 100+8 repetitions.

Source: https://www.amazon.com/Dakini-Teachings ... 9627341363

[climb-up]

The above answers are probably better, but I remember in one webcast ChNN talked about people saying they didn't have any time for transformation and he said "how can you not have time to say a mantra 30 times?" ...something like that.
So if I'm very rushed I'll do at least 30 (sometimes 21x, which I have heard as a minimum).
If I'm only doing a short thun, say at the beginning of the day, and not incorporating anther practice or focusing on accumulating mantras, then I generally do a minimum of one mala. It really doesn't even take much longer than 30x and there is not doubt that one full mala is a solid short practice.

[Tongnyid Dorje]

The above answers are probably better, but I remember in one webcast ChNN talked about people saying they didn't have any time for transformation and he said "how can you not have time to say a mantra 30 times?" ...something like that.
So if I'm very rushed I'll do at least 30 (sometimes 21x, which I have heard as a minimum).
If I'm only doing a short thun, say at the beginning of the day, and not incorporating anther practice or focusing on accumulating mantras, then I generally do a minimum of one mala. It really doesn't even take much longer than 30x and there is not doubt that one full mala is a solid short practice.

Yes, of course it is. Sometimes Im realy wondering about ppl who consider themselves dzogchen yogis, but they can hardly do any formal practice, which is longer, then 5mnts. In first level of SMS Rinpoche made a schedule for students in which one thun should last at least 3hrs.