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Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:30 pm
by dorjeshonnu
Ish wrote:With regards to the visualization of the white A in the rainbow thigle, Can one use the short A stroke (used in Tummo) instead of the full Tibetan A?

From the perspective of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu's Guru Yoga.

Thanks
it is said, however, that if you perform a dzogchen guru yoga incorrectly even once, in each of your future lives (and there will be several before the end) there will appear an irritable ogre and a flatulent monkey with your solar and lunar channels, ever tapping their feet, and interrupting your zhine periodically. the ogre complains incessantly and the monkey's supply of bangladeshi curry is never ending. your awakening will be blocked until you can integrate these errors thoroughly

still it is better than sitting with vajrapani set over you with a phurba tip waiting to split your head into seven pieces

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:26 pm
by Stewart
dorjeshonnu wrote:
Ish wrote:With regards to the visualization of the white A in the rainbow thigle, Can one use the short A stroke (used in Tummo) instead of the full Tibetan A?

From the perspective of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu's Guru Yoga.

Thanks
it is said, however, that if you perform a dzogchen guru yoga incorrectly even once, in each of your future lives (and there will be several before the end) there will appear an irritable ogre and a flatulent monkey with your solar and lunar channels, ever tapping their feet, and interrupting your zhine periodically. the ogre complains incessantly and the monkey's supply of bangladeshi curry is never ending. your awakening will be blocked until you can integrate these errors thoroughly

still it is better than sitting with vajrapani set over you with a phurba tip waiting to split your head into seven pieces

O............... K.........?

(tumbleweed rolls by silently)

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:49 pm
by Ish
dorjeshonnu wrote:
Ish wrote:With regards to the visualization of the white A in the rainbow thigle, Can one use the short A stroke (used in Tummo) instead of the full Tibetan A?

From the perspective of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu's Guru Yoga.

Thanks
it is said, however, that if you perform a dzogchen guru yoga incorrectly even once, in each of your future lives (and there will be several before the end) there will appear an irritable ogre and a flatulent monkey with your solar and lunar channels, ever tapping their feet, and interrupting your zhine periodically. the ogre complains incessantly and the monkey's supply of bangladeshi curry is never ending. your awakening will be blocked until you can integrate these errors thoroughly

still it is better than sitting with vajrapani set over you with a phurba tip waiting to split your head into seven pieces

Hahahah. The ogre and monkey interrupting the zhine is a BLESSING not a curse!!

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:40 pm
by dorjeshonnu
Ish wrote:Hahahah. The ogre and monkey interrupting the zhine is a BLESSING not a curse!!
shhhhhhhhhhhhh

rgyal.ba dgongs brgyud secrets of the rdo.rje 'dzin cannot be revealed before unprepared persons

such information might be hazardous to their spiritual health

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:26 am
by Sherab Rigdrol
I have the Guru Yoga book by ChNN, however I'm confused. When we do Guru Yoga of the white A, do we visualize at the heart, or the third eye. Also, unfortunately I lack the ineptitude of visualization. Do we visualize ourselves separate/outside of our body with the thigle, or do we visualize that it's actually in us?

Signed,
Wishing there was a Dzogchen book for children...

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:32 am
by heart
Sherab Rigdrol wrote:I have the Guru Yoga book by ChNN, however I'm confused. When we do Guru Yoga of the white A, do we visualize at the heart, or the third eye. Also, unfortunately I lack the ineptitude of visualization. Do we visualize ourselves separate/outside of our body with the thigle, or do we visualize that it's actually in us?

Signed,
Wishing there was a Dzogchen book for children...
In the center of your body.

/magnus

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:02 am
by LOTUSBORN
Question regarding white A for guru yoga. From what I heard it is visualized facing outward, not facing us. So do we picture Tibetan letter A as if looking behind it, in reverse (if I have a photo of Tibetan letter A and just look at it from backside)?

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:24 am
by heart
LOTUSBORN wrote:Question regarding white A for guru yoga. From what I heard it is visualized facing outward, not facing us. So do we picture Tibetan letter A as if looking behind it, in reverse (if I have a photo of Tibetan letter A and just look at it from backside)?
Well yes and no,when you do visualizations you are not supposed to fix your view point like that. The Ah is in the center of your body, you could see it from many different angels if you want, from the front or the back, from below or from the side. However, the most important point of visualization is confidence that it is actually there. If you fix your attention in a contrived way you will just get tired and uninspired.

/magnus

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:07 am
by Yeti
heart wrote:
LOTUSBORN wrote:Question regarding white A for guru yoga. From what I heard it is visualized facing outward, not facing us. So do we picture Tibetan letter A as if looking behind it, in reverse (if I have a photo of Tibetan letter A and just look at it from backside)?
Well yes and no,when you do visualizations you are not supposed to fix your view point like that. The Ah is in the center of your body, you could see it from many different angels if you want, from the front or the back, from below or from the side. However, the most important point of visualization is confidence that it is actually there. If you fix your attention in a contrived way you will just get tired and uninspired.

/magnus
That's a good point. IMHO in meditative visualisation one has to drop the notion of perception from a viewing point per se and begin to view transparently inwardly and outwardly with a full circumference in the 10 directions. I think this is just one aspect of practice that challenges and dissolves our normal notion of perception. It's quite challenging (at least for me it is).

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:26 am
by Andrew108
This is true. Also the syllable visualized is transparent too. No solid colors.

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:07 pm
by Yeti
Andrew108 wrote:This is true. Also the syllable visualized is transparent too. No solid colors.
Yes, transparent like a rainbow.

I used to have all sorts of troubles with the walls of the palaces in the mandala and also what was going on outside. I don't know how many times my teachers have to tell me quite clearly how to visualise, finally the message begins to get through. :zzz:

I actually think this is part of the skilful means of these practices that helps us dis-fixate from our normal mode of awareness/perception.

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:49 pm
by Dronma
Andrew108 wrote:This is true. Also the syllable visualized is transparent too. No solid colors.
:thumbsup:
It is a symbol of sound, light and rays, all inseparable from us.
Nothing solid that we can grasp from it...

Re: A & Thigle in Dzogchen

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:40 pm
by Tirthan
One question that is a little bit off-topic:
in some practices we use visualising A-thung in the navel-chakra. Is this symbol associated with the sound ¨A¨?