Daoism and Dzogchen

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Re: Daoism and Dzogchen

Postby etinin » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:14 pm

According to Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche, the four extremes, as claimed by the Madhyamika philosophical school, are Eternalism, Nihilism, Either or Neither. He says that Taoism is included in the last category, defending neither existence nor non-existence, making it very similar to the Middle Way, but still different, as it is still an extreme. It is very hard to understand intelectually, but we must be attached to no view. If anyone is interested, Dzongsar's commentary on the Madhyamika is freely available on the internet.
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Re: Daoism and Dzogchen

Postby KrisW » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:42 pm

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Re: Daoism and Dzogchen

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:55 am

I think the only real distinction to worry about is whether you are trying to narrow down your practice for purpose of actually getting somewhere.

I have no idea if Daoism and Dzogchen are the same, and frankly, I don't really think anyone here knows either, at least i'm pretty sure none of us are at this point.

The thing is though, you have to pick what you are doing. That doesn't mean you cannot appreciate or integrate other teachings, I love the Tao Te Ching personally. It just means that in general you have to pick something that if nothing else acts as your "filter" (hopefully a semi-permeable filter;)...it's not being exclusionary, it's just practicality, there has to be some range or bandwidth of what you study, if you are constantly trying to make everything seem the same...that becomes a project of and within itself.

There's a reason that the New Age movement is always pigeonholed as being shallow and silly, with a few exceptions you have to be at least somewhat narrow to hope to go deep, being too broad (again speaking practically/conventionally, not ultimately) makes it impossible to progress in studying much of anything, dharma or otherwise.

I try to read what I can of other traditions, and I do find it edifying when they seem to have something in common with Dharma. I think it's reasonable as some have said to suppose there is no monopoly on truth, heck plenty of Dharma teachers say something similar. Really, though you have to just pick a thing and do it, and conjecture about whether or not it's "the same" as something esle on some level might be interesting, but it doesn't really seem to lead anywhere productive. I mean, we all have our own little crappy corner of samsara to we have to start from, there is no point in trying to guess whether or not it is the same as someone elses until we have actually arrived at a place where we don't need to ask the question any more.

Or maybe i'm missing something, and there is more value for practice in this kind of comparison than I think.
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Re: Daoism and Dzogchen

Postby Karma Dorje » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:11 am

"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
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Re: Daoism and Dzogchen

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Re: Daoism and Dzogchen

Postby Karma Dorje » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:41 am

"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
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Re: Daoism and Dzogchen

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:44 am

You know what, I have a hard time conversing with you for some reason.

No one's fault, but i'm done..sorry to interrupt the thread, I should've known better.
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Re: Daoism and Dzogchen

Postby Karma Dorje » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:58 am

"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
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Re: Daoism and Dzogchen

Postby Alfredo » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:26 am

As fate would have it, I live near a Quanzhen temple. Most of the people who come just do baibai (worship the gods by bowing with incense), but there are priests who lead regular rituals. The temple also offers weekend classes--mostly in fortune telling, but also in classic texts. The teachers seem to be ordinary people (one is a university professor) who make no claim to being enlightened, or to possess magic powers. (Fortune telling is not considered magic.)

So, how am I going to compare all that with Dzogchen? There are a few Nyingma dharma centers in the area, but should I focus on the scriptures, the community, or the saintly figures of yore? And what should I be looking for?
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Re: Daoism and Dzogchen

Postby heart » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:13 am

:good:

finally we are leaving the fantasies behind.

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