Any dzogchenpas ever feel the need to sell buddhist books?

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Re: Any dzogchenpas ever feel the need to sell buddhist book

Postby Dronma » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:04 am

I am still having all my books here, not only books of Tibetan Buddhism (including Dzogchen), but also books of other philosophies, religions, literature, art etc.
I like all of them.
Once, many years ago, I was visiting one of my Tibetan Dzogchen teachers while I was holding in my hands a few new books I had just bought. He asked me what were those books about. I replied that they were books about psychology. I remember him to move his head affirmatively and saying seriously: "A! Books of wisdom!"
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Postby Grigoris » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:26 am

I reckon if you could sell your dualising mind that it would be infinitely more helpful for your pursuit! :smile:
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Postby padma norbu » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:45 am

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Postby Grigoris » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:53 am

Nah... I can't see how that would help you realise Dzogchen. Hasn't helped me.
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Postby padma norbu » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:56 am

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Postby Grigoris » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:05 am

I have no idea what you are talking about. I thought we were talking about how selling your books will help you focus on your pursuit of realising Dzogchen (here I am talking about the state of "mind" and not the view, though I still don't really know exactly which you are talking about, since you didn't answer my original question to you).

If it was an affirmation of your decision you wanted, you got that from "Paul". I tend to believe that it won't make an iota of a difference to your realisation of Dzogchen (and here I am talking about the state of "mind", not the view) whether you keep them, sell them, burn them, buy more of them, etc... I think this also applies to the situation where you are talking about the view (dzogchen). Now if the issue is about making more space on your bookshelf, then obviously getting rid of the books is a good idea.
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Postby padma norbu » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:06 am

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Postby Grigoris » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:14 am

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Postby padma norbu » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:20 am

"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron

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Re: Any dzogchenpas ever feel the need to sell buddhist book

Postby WeiHan » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:06 pm

To me, the more important question maybe whether you are blaming those books now or whether it is just interdependent origination that it just so happen that you are not in the right causes and conditions to put those knowledge into good use. Or maybe I am wrong.

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Postby padma norbu » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:19 pm

"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron

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Postby JKhedrup » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:50 pm

I guess the question becomes, will you maybe want to refer to the books again later on?

Many practitioners experience different periods in their spiritual lives. Sometimes studying the scriptures a great deal, then going for a "experiential" approach. Or putting lots of effort into sadhana practice and then focusing on Dzogchen. Doing prostrations and then delving into Middle Way Philosophy.

As we change and evolve in our practice I think we will find we need to focus on different things at different times. Even just reading people's comments on message boards such as these shows the changes people can go through. From scrutinizing study of the scriptures and debate on difficult points, to the nature of the mind and letting go of concepts. At the centres too- I see people who come to Gelugpa from Dzogchen, go to Dzogchen from Gelugpa, Kagyu to Theravada and everything in between.

Since I don't know you of course I am not commenting on your personal situation- but just in a general way of what I observe in practitioners in the West. In Tibet people were often "born into" the system. If their uncle was a Dzogchen master they would study that system, if he was a Gelug philosopher they would go to one of the monastic universities. It is a very different set of circumstances for people like us and I wonder if we are not even more fortunate from the perspective of having exposure to diverse approaches.

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Postby padma norbu » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:07 pm

Jkedrup, that's kind of what I've been doing already for years (sort of) with my feet on 2 different paths, since I was interested in finding a vajrayana teacher, but stumbled on dzogchen first and they welcomed me with open arms. It was beyond anything I had learned at the time and I struggled to grasp it for a few years, then decided I was not ready and so I went back and took refuge from a lama in the Vajrayana tradition, thinking about what Namkhai Norbu had said before (no limitations, you can do both). Then, I combined both types of practices for a while and yadda yadda. Now I think I am more on track with dzogchen and want to focus on all the practices I have avoided and spend most of my time with those since I have more faith in myself and my ability to succeed if I just keep trying.
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Postby heart » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:27 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
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Postby Sönam » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:38 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Postby Grigoris » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:53 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Postby heart » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:45 pm

"We are all here to help each other go through this thing, whatever it is."
~Kurt Vonnegut

"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Postby Sönam » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:59 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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