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how can non duality be experienced. any good books for beginners in dzogchen that introduce this experience and perception and also i would appreciate anything that helps me progress forward more into non duality.

how does it come about when in meditation there is the fog of perceiver and the perceived in a subconscious level deeply inrooted. like there is no way to remove the perceiver and the perceived duality. i i i me me me. how to transform that into experience of non duality ?

This.

thankyou very much. this text is really helpful and clarifying.

I don't think you can experience it,there will be no "you" or "other" to experience with.

not in a conceptual way it cant.

KonchokZoepa wrote:... any good books for beginners in dzogchen ...

Chögyal Namkhai Norbu's next webcast start the 28th ... http://www.shangshunginstitute.net/webcast/video.php

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i might make it but i have a mahamudra weekend the same weekend so it depends if i can stay at the center for the two hours to receive the direct introduction or not. i noticed on mobile phone it doesnt work. and the rest of the retreat on sunday i cant participate. on monday i can.

KonchokZoepa wrote:how can non duality be experienced. any good books for beginners in dzogchen that introduce this experience and perception and also i would appreciate anything that helps me progress forward more into non duality.

how does it come about when in meditation there is the fog of perceiver and the perceived in a subconscious level deeply inrooted. like there is no way to remove the perceiver and the perceived duality. i i i me me me. how to transform that into experience of non duality ?

let your eyes soft focus, and relax into this feeling, letting everything go.

So if your dualistic mind, of all the thoughts, was like a bundle of sticks tied by a cord, what would happen if you untie the cord?

This is the "relax relax - let everything go."

Whatever occurs in your mind / body / emotions, just watch it and let it go without comment or involvement, like an old man watching children at play.

relax - relax - let everything go.

Here in this tread, regarding the nondual practice of Dzogchen, may I ask a question?
There has been thrown here a light in another thread, which points to the stop of the clinging to the three concepts. (free from: subject which is acting, object of the action and the action itself)

What is faith in so called Nondual Dzogchen practice? Is it other than "absorption" (dependence-emptiness) in which no one is having faith, no object is there to have faith and faith is no action/verb?

Please forgive me the word 'absorption' since I never have been educated to use right words in right boxes and use only what is available in the season. They are all same anyway when written on water, not? That is maybe silent explanation in which no concepts are?

Many thanks.

What is faith in so called Nondual Dzogchen practice?

There is no faith in "nondual dzogchen practice", there is not even any 'practice' at this point. Faith is very useful to take you there, and to allow you to open up. But it's importance and substantiality will dissolve in genuine relaxation as all other dualistic phenomena.

Ivo wrote:

What is faith in so called Nondual Dzogchen practice?

There is no faith in "nondual dzogchen practice", there is not even any 'practice' at this point. Faith is very useful to take you there, and to allow you to open up. But it's importance and substantiality will dissolve in genuine relaxation as all other dualistic phenomena.

Spot on.