Is the Dharmakaya the source?

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Is the Dharmakaya the source?

Postby duffster1 » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:29 pm

Hi

Is the Dharmakaya what is called in spirituality the source? or am i way off?

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Re: Is the Dharmakaya the source?

Postby smcj » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:16 am

Don't take me too seriously.

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Re: Is the Dharmakaya the source?

Postby smcj » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:49 am

Oops. I didn't notice that you posted this in the Dzogchen forum. That should warrant a more specific answer. But since there are many more people here focused on Dzogchen than I am, I'll let them answer.

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Re: Is the Dharmakaya the source?

Postby krodha » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:45 am

Dharmakāya is emptiness, definitely not a source. The five lights are originally pure, which means they're primordially unborn and free from extremes.

Duffster, regarding your question; 'spirituality' is a fairly broad term and could represent various systems, religions and traditions, all having different ideas of a source. In Vedanta for example, the source of phenomena is called Brahman. Dzogchen however doesn't posit a 'source' of phenomena per se... It's said that the way we usually perceive phenomena is incorrect, and that is the reason we suffer. So the system of dzogchen is predicated on recognizing the true condition (or nature) of phenomena. The dharmakāya signifies the empty nature of phenomena, which means that in truth phenomena are non-arisen and do not accord with any of the four possible extremes, which are: existence, non-existence, both and neither. When we realize that phenomena are truly unborn and non-arisen then that is called dharmakāya. That realization liberates us from our ignorant misconceptions that phenomena can exist, not exist, etc. which means we are free from the causes and conditions which sustain delusion and suffering.

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Re: Is the Dharmakaya the source?

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Re: Is the Dharmakaya the source?

Postby krodha » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:11 am

Jigme Lingpa defines dharmakāya as: "The wisdom that is aware that the manifesting objects - form, feelings, perceptions, and so on - are empty of self."

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Re: Is the Dharmakaya the source?

Postby Sönam » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:57 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
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Re: Is the Dharmakaya the source?

Postby oldbob » Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:06 am

Yup and

try not to distract and step on a rope, when seen at dusk, while contemplating the DK, when walking in India or the DK can bite you and be the source of great pain. :smile:

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Re: Is the Dharmakaya the source?

Postby smcj » Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:12 am

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Re: Is the Dharmakaya the source?

Postby xabir » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:00 am

Reading this thread I was reminded of something I wrote before:

In the Bahiya Sutta, the Buddha said, "Where water, earth, fire, & wind have no footing: There the stars don't shine, the sun isn't visible. There the moon doesn't appear. There darkness is not found. And when a sage, a brahman through sagacity, has realized [this] for himself, then from form & formless, from bliss & pain, he is freed."

Some people mistaken that to imply the 'afterlife state' of an arahant as being devoid of anything whatsoever.

Venerable Nanananda explains however, that what it actually means is this: the luminosity of wisdom, in 'non-manifestative consciousness' which is 'lustrous on all sides' far outshines the sun (and the sun's lustre already outshines the moon and the stars, that's why we don't see the moon or stars in a sunny afternoon).

He also made clear that the cessation of the six sense bases/name and form doesn't mean that we don't see anything, but that we "see its voidness" as "an insight", we realized "void is the world", that which "worldlings grasp as real and truly existing gets penetrated through wisdom and becomes nonmanifest".

I'm reminded of my friend Simpo who once wrote an article long ago in http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.sg/2 ... -like.html - "in the deeper range of non duality, brightness becomes stronger. This brightness is the result of mind's deconstruction which allows for intense penetration into consciousness. The Brightness can be so intense that it is truly stunning."

Anyway, very good explanation of Bahiya Sutta by Ven Nanananda in http://www.beyondthenet.net/calm/nibbana15.htm and http://www.beyondthenet.net/calm/nibbana16.htm

I must say, my understanding of certain more difficult points of the Pali Suttas have been 'revised' by reading this venerable's works which I think is great. Not very easy reading but enlightening.


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