Now I "get it"

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Re: Now I "get it"

Postby Malcolm » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:29 pm

thigle wrote:
Malcolm wrote:You realize you are talking to an "arhat", right?


I'm talking about Dzogchen in an deluded Dzogchen'like forum, because nobody talks about Dzogchen...


I see, so you really know Dzogchen much better than anyone else here, is that what you think?
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Re: Now I "get it"

Postby thigle » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:19 pm

Malcolm wrote:
thigle wrote:
Malcolm wrote:You realize you are talking to an "arhat", right?


I'm talking about Dzogchen in an deluded Dzogchen'like forum, because nobody talks about Dzogchen, but everybody calls it Dzogchen and beliefes this is Dzogchen. This is dangerous and causes much confusion. Especially for the invisible readers now and in the future. So, it's better to close this public forum or this self-destructive obligation of secrecy falls, which has much worse effects for the teachings, than doing the teachings publicly. So I'm always talking first to the invisible reader. The last postings about "decisions" can't be misunderstood, only not understood.


I see, so you really know Dzogchen much better than anyone else here, is that what you think?


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Re: Now I "get it"

Postby Sherab Dorje » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:23 pm

thigle wrote:So, it's better to close this public forum or this self-destructive obligation of secrecy falls, which has much worse effects for the teachings, than doing the teachings publicly.
I disagree. I actually believe that it is very important that this sub-forum exists so that people with wrong views can have them corrected by people with some serious knowledge/experience in Dzogchen. Imagine if they just got their info from various suspect online sources. It is also valuable as it can give people with a serious interest in Dzogchen the opportunity to know what should and should not be discussed. Of course the adage: "Go ask your teacher" can be applied to 90% of the questions asked here, but you must take into account that not everybody has a teacher that they can regularly and personally access, so...

Welcome to Kali Yuga "thigle", we can't pretend sh*t is not out there (anymore), because it is, and we have to deal with it.
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Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Now I "get it"

Postby Malcolm » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:24 pm

thigle wrote:
Stop to project selfish reasons. The delusion is obvious.


You make a lot of pronouncements so it seems like you consider yourself very expert in the teachings. As to whether some people here are working with various levels of understanding, that of course is true. But unless you are a realized person, it is a little strange to be castigating other people for being deluded when oneself has not even gouged out a small portion of one own delusion. On the other hand, if someone makes a statement that is clearly a factual error and is in contradiction with the teachings, then of course one is helping them by setting them straight, even if they find it painful.
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Re: Now I "get it"

Postby Malcolm » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:26 pm

Sherab Dorje wrote:
thigle wrote:So, it's better to close this public forum or this self-destructive obligation of secrecy falls, which has much worse effects for the teachings, than doing the teachings publicly.
I disagree. I actually believe that it is very important that this sub-forum exists so that people with wrong views can have them corrected by people with some serious knowledge/experience in Dzogchen. Imagine if they just got their info from various suspect online sources. It is also valuable as it can give people with a serious interest in Dzogchen the opportunity to know what should and should not be discussed. Of course the adage: "Go ask your teacher" can be applied to 90% of the questions asked here, you must take into account that not everybody has a teacher that they can regularly and personally access, so...

Welcome to Kali Yuga "thigle", we can't pretend sh*t is not out there (anymore), because it is, and we have to deal with it.


Well, at least the OP knows better than sharing anything here anymore...
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Re: Now I "get it"

Postby Sherab Dorje » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:31 pm

Malcolm wrote:Well, at least the OP knows better than sharing anything here anymore...
:twothumbsup: That'll learn him!
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Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Now I "get it"

Postby thigle » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:39 pm

Malcolm wrote:
thigle wrote:
Stop to project selfish reasons. The delusion is obvious.


You make a lot of pronouncements so it seems like you consider yourself very expert in the teachings. As to whether some people here are working with various levels of understanding, that of course is true. But unless you are a realized person, it is a little strange to be castigating other people for being deluded when oneself has not even gouged out a small portion of one own delusion. On the other hand, if someone makes a statement that is clearly a factual error and is in contradiction with the teachings, then of course one is helping them by setting them straight, even if they find it painful.


Just as I said before, stop to project selfish reasons. The delusion is obvious. Consequence: It's better to close this subforum. Make your circle secret. So no one can be harmed anymore. User unity was just a mirror.
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Re: Now I "get it"

Postby Malcolm » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:45 pm

thigle wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
thigle wrote:
Stop to project selfish reasons. The delusion is obvious.


You make a lot of pronouncements so it seems like you consider yourself very expert in the teachings. As to whether some people here are working with various levels of understanding, that of course is true. But unless you are a realized person, it is a little strange to be castigating other people for being deluded when oneself has not even gouged out a small portion of one own delusion. On the other hand, if someone makes a statement that is clearly a factual error and is in contradiction with the teachings, then of course one is helping them by setting them straight, even if they find it painful.


Just as I said before, stop to project selfish reasons. The delusion is obvious. Consequence: It's better to close this subforum. Make your circle secret. So no one can be harmed anymore. User unity was just a mirror.


You know, it is generally better to wear shoes than to cover the world with shoe leather. My advice to you is to stop participating in on-line forums such as this one if you disapprove so strongly. They are not going to shut this forum just because you recommend it.

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Re: Now I "get it"

Postby thigle » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:58 pm

Malcolm wrote:
You know, it is generally better to wear shoes than to cover the world with shoe leather. My advice to you is to stop participating in on-line forums such as this one if you disapprove so strongly. They are not going to shut this forum just because you recommend it.


It's much better to close this subforum. Making this circle secret. So no one can be harmed anymore.
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Re: Now I "get it"

Postby Jikan » Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:05 pm

thigle wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
You know, it is generally better to wear shoes than to cover the world with shoe leather. My advice to you is to stop participating in on-line forums such as this one if you disapprove so strongly. They are not going to shut this forum just because you recommend it.


It's much better to close this subforum. Making this circle secret. So no one can be harmed anymore.


you've not shown how this thread or this sub-forum is a cause of harm. If you'd like to open that discussion, you are welcome to start a thread on that topic.

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