5 elements

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5 elements

Postby mmm » Thu May 15, 2014 11:40 am

Do you know more detailed explanation of the process of controlling five elements in dzogchen or vajrayana practice, the manner in which 5 elements are purified and fully controlled up to level of for example Guru Padmasambhava who was not burned by fire? If you know some texts in English which refer to or describe this process please kindly post or share a link. Thank you very much.

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Re: 5 elements

Postby heart » Thu May 15, 2014 7:11 pm

mmm wrote:Do you know more detailed explanation of the process of controlling five elements in dzogchen or vajrayana practice, the manner in which 5 elements are purified and fully controlled up to level of for example Guru Padmasambhava who was not burned by fire? If you know some texts in English which refer to or describe this process please kindly post or share a link. Thank you very much.


Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, "Oral Teachings on the Yoga of Prana for Clarity and Emptiness" for example have a wealth of information.

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"Even though you have recognized your essence, if you do not get accustomed to it,
You will be carried away by the enemy of thoughts, like a small child in a battle field.
So long as you are not free from the limitations of accepting and rejecting,
That long will you not recognize the view of the innermost secret heart-essence."

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Re: 5 elements

Postby Norwegian » Fri May 16, 2014 10:52 am

That is a restricted text though for those who have received that teaching and transmission from ChNN (as it is written in the book "This book should be treated with the greatest respect and is addressed to those who have received the transmission of the teaching from the Master."). He has given transmission of this in 1998, 2000, 2001, 2003, and 2006.

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Re: 5 elements

Postby heart » Fri May 16, 2014 11:37 am

Norwegian wrote:That is a restricted text though for those who have received that teaching and transmission from ChNN (as it is written in the book "This book should be treated with the greatest respect and is addressed to those who have received the transmission of the teaching from the Master."). He has given transmission of this in 1998, 2000, 2001, 2003, and 2006.


There is nothing like double restrictions, right? Anyway, it was just an example. ChNNR's teaching is a great source information on this subject.

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We are all here to help each other go through this, whatever it is.
~Kurt Vonnegut

"To reject practice by saying, 'it is conceptual!' is the path of fools. A tendency of the inexperienced and something to be avoided."
- Longchenpa

"Even though you have recognized your essence, if you do not get accustomed to it,
You will be carried away by the enemy of thoughts, like a small child in a battle field.
So long as you are not free from the limitations of accepting and rejecting,
That long will you not recognize the view of the innermost secret heart-essence."

-Longchenpa

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Re: 5 elements

Postby Norwegian » Fri May 16, 2014 12:40 pm

When I wrote "teaching and transmission" (as I assume this is what you're referring to as 'double restriction') I just meant having received the transmission of the Longsal Saltong Lung teaching from ChNN.

But, I definitely agree with you. He is a fantastic teacher.

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Re: 5 elements

Postby heart » Fri May 16, 2014 1:17 pm

Norwegian wrote:When I wrote "teaching and transmission" (as I assume this is what you're referring to as 'double restriction') I just meant having received the transmission of the Longsal Saltong Lung teaching from ChNN.


I was referring to the fact that to buy the restricted books at http://www.shangshungstore.org/ you have to be a member, but then sometimes you also need to have got the particular empowerment or reading transmission, thus double restrictions. In this particular case there is no mention of that kind of restriction in the shop so I bought it and read without noticing your previous quote. My bad.

Sorry for getting off-topic here.

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We are all here to help each other go through this, whatever it is.
~Kurt Vonnegut

"To reject practice by saying, 'it is conceptual!' is the path of fools. A tendency of the inexperienced and something to be avoided."
- Longchenpa

"Even though you have recognized your essence, if you do not get accustomed to it,
You will be carried away by the enemy of thoughts, like a small child in a battle field.
So long as you are not free from the limitations of accepting and rejecting,
That long will you not recognize the view of the innermost secret heart-essence."

-Longchenpa

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Re: 5 elements

Postby mmm » Sun May 18, 2014 11:18 pm

Thank you for your answer. It is not so easy to understand. Anyway good luck in your dharma practice, best wishes mmm

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Re: 5 elements

Postby heart » Sun May 18, 2014 11:46 pm

mmm wrote:Thank you for your answer. It is not so easy to understand. Anyway good luck in your dharma practice, best wishes mmm


If you want to get a deeper understanding of the five elements, listen to ChNNR's teachings. Not so difficult to understand, right?

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We are all here to help each other go through this, whatever it is.
~Kurt Vonnegut

"To reject practice by saying, 'it is conceptual!' is the path of fools. A tendency of the inexperienced and something to be avoided."
- Longchenpa

"Even though you have recognized your essence, if you do not get accustomed to it,
You will be carried away by the enemy of thoughts, like a small child in a battle field.
So long as you are not free from the limitations of accepting and rejecting,
That long will you not recognize the view of the innermost secret heart-essence."

-Longchenpa

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Re: 5 elements

Postby oldbob » Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:31 pm

mmm wrote:Do you know more detailed explanation of the process of controlling five elements in dzogchen or vajrayana practice, the manner in which 5 elements are purified and fully controlled up to level of for example Guru Padmasambhava who was not burned by fire? If you know some texts in English which refer to or describe this process please kindly post or share a link. Thank you very much.



:namaste:

All good posts. :twothumbsup:

Try:

http://shangshung.org/store/index.php?m ... cts_id=291

Best to get the lung / reading transmission before practicing.

Not for beginners, or the faint of heart. Extreamly powerful practice.

Best to set aside some time to re-integragte back into your normal life after doing the Zer Nga practice.

ob


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