Gotama/Shakyamuni
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Re: Gotama/Shakyamuni
AND samantabhadra/bhadhri is YOU!!!
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Mind is blown.pema yeshe wrote:AND samantabhadra/bhadhri is YOU!!!
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My understanding is that Vajradhara is understood to be the enlightenment of Sakyamuni as seen from the Vajrayana perspective. So that's why at the very top of the Kagyu Refuge tree is a small Vajradhara, representing Sakyamuni. Then you also visualize your own teacher as Vajradhara, not because he is in any sense the same personage as Sakyamuni, but the enlightenment presented to you by him is still the enlightenment of Sakyamuni as has been passed down through the lineage(s)....the claim was made that all forms of Buddhism are derived 'directly ' from ' Gotama, The Buddha '.
So from that perspective and understanding, yes.What say you ?
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
Re: Gotama/Shakyamuni
pema yeshe wrote:AND samantabhadra/bhadhri is YOU!!!
have fun everyone!
So I am the Dharmakaya ?
“You don’t know it. You just know about it. That is not the same thing.”
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
Re: Gotama/Shakyamuni
You are all three.Dharmakaya Sambogakaya NirmanakayaSimon E. wrote:pema yeshe wrote:AND samantabhadra/bhadhri is YOU!!!
have fun everyone!
So I am the Dharmakaya ?
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No I'm not. They're just words.
“You don’t know it. You just know about it. That is not the same thing.”
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
Re: Gotama/Shakyamuni
they are words but they point towards a certain reality which we all possessSimon E. wrote:No I'm not. They're just words.
Re: Gotama/Shakyamuni
This is not how things are presented in Dzogchen, or for that matter in Sakya or Nyingma. In both Sakya and Nyingma for example, the nirmanakāya is not considered to be the "Teacher". There is only one teacher, Buddha Samantabhadhra/Vajradhara. This single teacher, the dharmakāya, called Samantabhadra, emanates the Samabhogakāya, in this case Vajradhara, who in turn emanates the nirmanakāyas such as Śākyamuni. I am fairly certain the Kagyus also present things in this way.smcj wrote:My understanding is that Vajradhara is understood to be the enlightenment of Sakyamuni as seen from the Vajrayana perspective. So that's why at the very top of the Kagyu Refuge tree is a small Vajradhara, representing Sakyamuni. Then you also visualize your own teacher as Vajradhara, not because he is in any sense the same personage as Sakyamuni, but the enlightenment presented to you by him is still the enlightenment of Sakyamuni as has been passed down through the lineage(s)....the claim was made that all forms of Buddhism are derived 'directly ' from ' Gotama, The Buddha '.
The Gelugpas understand it the way you present it.
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alpha wrote:they are words but they point towards a certain reality which we all possessSimon E. wrote:No I'm not. They're just words.
So does ' rhubarb ' or ' gromit '. Actualising these things is a bit different isn't it ?
“You don’t know it. You just know about it. That is not the same thing.”
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
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We have all three as potentials, we still have to recognize them in direct perception. That is what practice is for.alpha wrote:You are all three.Dharmakaya Sambogakaya NirmanakayaSimon E. wrote:pema yeshe wrote:AND samantabhadra/bhadhri is YOU!!!
have fun everyone!
So I am the Dharmakaya ?
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Malcolm wrote:Samantabhadra is the dharmakāya, of whom Śākyamuni is an emanation.Kunga Lhadzom wrote:What's the difference between Gotama Shakyamuni and Samantabhadra (Ultimately)
Tashi delek M,
- Then who is here Sambhogakaya and Nirmanakaya?
- Is this Lineage of Indian origen ?
- What is the complete actual lineage ( Refuge Tree )?
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alpha wrote:You are all three.Dharmakaya Sambogakaya NirmanakayaSimon E. wrote:pema yeshe wrote:AND samantabhadra/bhadhri is YOU!!!
have fun everyone!
So I am the Dharmakaya ?
Tashi delek A,
- If i am not misunderstood according the 3 Kayas we have 3 Paths and 3 different fruits?
- What do you think about the fact that Buddha Shakyamuni would be an emantion from Samantabhadra?
This is remarkable because accourding the Jitakas the Buddha did spent about 254 lives in Benares. I guess he was a Bodhisattva therefore.
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Thanks for the correction. It was a Gelug lama that said it to me. I assumed the Kagyupas saw it the same way.The Gelugpas understand it the way you present it.
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)