Sönam wrote:The difference in the straight bönpo view proposed and buddhist view, is that for bönpo the progression, including intensively accumulate both merits and so on, is included in their Dzogchen' cycle ... which is the not the case for Buddhist (Nyigmapa) where there is 8 buddhists vehicles before ati.
This is precisely the case in the Longchen Nyingthik, where before doing the Yeshe Lama, you do the retreat on Kunzang Lamai Zhellung, before doing Tummo, yidam retreat and then rushen, etc. You don't know that it's already the same in Lama Yangtik, etc. You don't know what you're talking about. Read the table of contents of the Lama Yangtik on TBRC, maybe this will enlighten you. Because what you describe does not correspond to any reality. I've not seen any Lama teaching the way you imagine Dzogchen is taught...
Therefore, what has not been realized before has to be within, and this is the reason the "Dzogchen cursus" is very progressive and straight. The buddhist approach is slightly different.
Oh yeah? How different ? Do you know hte cursus of the Longchen Nyingthik in Dzogchen Monastery ? Do you know how the Lama Yangtik is taught ? Even in the Black Yangti you have preliminaries, yidam practice, etc. Sönam, your imagination is deluding you. I'm not going to re-copy the contents of the Black Yangti, Lama Yangtik, Longchen Nyingthik, etc. here, but you should take a look at the contents in the TBRC page, this would at least be respectful for the readers here.