Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby Pema Rigdzin » Wed May 04, 2011 1:13 am

Enochian wrote:Ok let me put it in another way.

If you 100% NEED a transmission to understand your natural state, it would NOT be natural would it?


Well, you need something reflective, like a mirror, to see your natural face. Can't see your face just by possessing it, can you?
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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby Dechen Norbu » Wed May 04, 2011 4:10 am

Very well put. :twothumbsup:
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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby Jinzang » Fri May 06, 2011 1:47 am

You meet the mistaken idea that "the ultimate is unconditioned therefore anyone who teaches a path to realize it has fallen into a false view" more often in Neo-Advaita. But some would-be Dzogchenpas seem prone to it as well. I won't argue the point. But I will recommend Vivid Awareness, a recent book by Thrangu Rinpoche made from talks he gave explaining a short text by Khenpo Gangshar. I haven't finished it yet, but so far, so good. It hits the main points that a beginner in Dzogchen/Mahamudra needs to know.
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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby adinatha » Sun May 08, 2011 6:08 am

Jinzang wrote:You meet the mistaken idea that "the ultimate is unconditioned therefore anyone who teaches a path to realize it has fallen into a false view" more often in Neo-Advaita. But some would-be Dzogchenpas seem prone to it as well. I won't argue the point. But I will recommend Vivid Awareness, a recent book by Thrangu Rinpoche made from talks he gave explaining a short text by Khenpo Gangshar. I haven't finished it yet, but so far, so good. It hits the main points that a beginner in Dzogchen/Mahamudra needs to know.


I read this book based on your recommendation here. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. One of a kind.
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Re: Bothersome things about Vajrayana and Dzogchen

Postby adinatha » Sun May 08, 2011 6:34 am

I just read up on Khenpo Gangshar's life. He was left for dead after an illness and taken to a cell. Then he suddenly sat up after three days and transformed from someone who was a conformist to someone quite daring and unconventional. Looking death square in the face allows transformations like this. I take great inspiration from this kind of experience. Contemplate death, I say.
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