gad rgyangs wrote:exactly.heart wrote:
"Likewise, no ignorance exist in the ground, yet ignorance naturally arise from the aspect of what manifested as compassion."
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right
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gad rgyangs wrote:exactly.heart wrote:
"Likewise, no ignorance exist in the ground, yet ignorance naturally arise from the aspect of what manifested as compassion."
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gad rgyangs wrote:exactly.heart wrote:
"Likewise, no ignorance exist in the ground, yet ignorance naturally arise from the aspect of what manifested as compassion."
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Exactly, I think that is clear from my quote as well.Namdrol wrote:gad rgyangs wrote:exactly.heart wrote:
"Likewise, no ignorance exist in the ground, yet ignorance naturally arise from the aspect of what manifested as compassion."
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Yes, since that aspect was not recognized, but compassion does not arise as ignorance otherwise, ignorance would be intrinsic to the ground, and it is not. For example, the five lights do not arise as the five elements, but since the display of the basis was not recognized, the five elements are effectively arise through the non-recognition of the five lights.
heart wrote:
Exactly, I think that is clear from my quote as well.
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heart wrote:
Exactly, I think that is clear from my quote as well.
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Well, what can I say, I must obviously misunderstand what your point is.gad rgyangs wrote:you do realize Magnus that no one here ever said there was ignorance in the ground, right?
exactly.heart wrote:Well, what can I say, I must obviously misunderstand what your point is.gad rgyangs wrote:you do realize Magnus that no one here ever said there was ignorance in the ground, right?
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So try to express it better then?gad rgyangs wrote:exactly.heart wrote:Well, what can I say, I must obviously misunderstand what your point is.gad rgyangs wrote:you do realize Magnus that no one here ever said there was ignorance in the ground, right?
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Very nice Pema! Very well explicated...Pema Rigdzin wrote:Each and every phenomenon one could ever think of is dependently originated--we impute singular "thingness" onto "things" which are really aggregations of multiple parts and causes and conditions, and each of those parts are likewise aggregations of multiple parts and causes and conditions, ad infinitum... No thing can be found anywhere that exists by the power of its own essence, made up only of itself, with no dependence on anything else. That being the case--that is, since all phenomena depend for their conventional "existence" on our imputing "thingness" and existence onto them--where can one find anything at all to have begin to exist, endured for a time, and then disintegrated?
At the same time, despite this emptiness, where can one find any cause at all that fails to bear a result, and who can be found that doesn't experience samsara as the Buddha said we do?