Yogacara and dzogchen

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

Postby Sönam » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:09 pm

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

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Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

Postby byamspa » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:26 pm

Energizer bunny thread...it keeps going and going and going....
Phenomenon, vast as space, dharmata is your base, arising and falling like ocean tide cycles, why do i cling to your illusion of unceasing changlessness?

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Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

Postby greentreee » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:59 pm

scratching thick hair'd head,
"if air can be conditioned,
like where's the shampoo?"

"greentreee"

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

Postby Malcolm » Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:03 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

Postby conebeckham » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:30 pm



"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

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Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

Postby muni » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:52 am

One last question (sorry) : What is in nondual nature to compare?

When Jyoti can tell me not to look down on other traditions then I must thank for the important teaching.

Dzogchen is our nature, devoid of self and others, identical spaciousness, all equalizing pure mind is compassion, immutable, uncreated field...
...few word pointings by Dzogchen Masters; Nature.


:bow: Openess for the Masters' Transmission. :bow:

May we all recognize what is not divided.


"Don’t investigate the root of things,
Investigate the root of Mind!
Once the mind’s root has been found,
You’ll know one thing, yet all is thereby freed.
But if the root of Mind you fail to find,
You will know everything but nothing
understand". Guru Rinpoche.

http://www.keithdowman.net/dzogchen/dudjom_counsel.htm

ps a nangpa sees no differences out there but only mind. :smile:

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

Postby Sönam » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:35 am

By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -

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Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

Postby Mariusz » Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:48 am

A quote from Patrul Rin­poché :

This is also neces­sary in this vajra essence vehicle, the heart
essence of the Natural Great Per­fec­tion. It is not taught that the
profound truth should be established through the process of
analysis and logic as is done in the lower vehic­les.
Nor is it taught
that com­mon accom­plish­ments should be relied upon in order to
obtain supreme con­sum­mation, as in the lower tan­tras.It is also
not taught that you should emphasize reliance upon the illustrative
wis­dom of the third empower­ment to introduce ultimate
wis­dom, as it is in the higher tan­tras. In the Great Per­fec­tion tradition,
you rely upon prayer made with fervent devotion to the
supremely realized Lama alone, whose lineage is like a gol­den
chain untain­ted by the defilement of broken tan­tric com­mit­ments,
and con­sider him to be an actual Bud­dha. If you sim­ply
pray to him in this way, your mind will merge inseparably with
his wis­dom mind. By the power of the trans­ference of his bles­sings
to you, it is said that realization will arise within you.


Any more questions? :smile:

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Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

Postby greentreee » Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:49 pm

scratching thick hair'd head,
"if air can be conditioned,
like where's the shampoo?"

"greentreee"

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:35 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

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Re: Is Dzogchen really beyond cause and effect?

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:25 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Yogacara and dzogchen

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