Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

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Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby Karma Jinpa » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:10 pm

Vajrakilaya arguably being the most widely practiced yidam throughout the Nyingma school, this seemed appropriate to discuss here.

Btw, does anyone happen to know what the Nyingmapa stance is regarding which buddha family Vajrakilaya? Various sources refer to him as part of the Vajra family under Buddha Akshobya, or as part of the Karma family under Buddha Amoghasiddhi. Is he more one than the other, or both... Or is this one of those things that depends on which Tantra we're looking at and which lama we're asking?

Anyway, Garchen Rinpoche will be bestowing the empowerment of Vajrakilaya (a.k.a. Dorjé Phurba) according to the lineage of Ratna Lingpa. This is the only form I've known him to give the wang for, so I can only guess that this is the main form used by the Drikung Kagyu order. Garchen is also a great Dzogchen master, having studied and practiced under his guru, Khenpo Munsel, for nearly 20 years while imprisoned by the Communist Chinese.

For those with a connection to Garchen Rinpoche, Ratna Lingpa, and/or Dorjé Phurba, or those who would like to establish such bonds, this is a chance to do so with full permission to receive authentic blessing over the internet from a living Bodhisattva.

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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby heart » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:27 pm

Garchen Rinpoche used to give an anuyoga Purbha from the Chokling Tersar the one from Ratna Lingpa that he is giving now is considered a very major Vajrakilaya terma. Vajrakilaya is of the vajra family at least in the sadhana I did many years because Aksobhya is sitting inside his topknot.

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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby Sherab Dorje » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:32 pm

Thank you very, VERY much for the "heads up"!

To say that this is perfect timing (for me) would be an understatement!
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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby Karma Jinpa » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:35 pm

Thank you for the info, Magnus. I was sure that Ratna Lingpa's wasn't the only lineage he held, Rinpoche being such a great master and being Rimé thru and thru.

Do you know if what he gives now was perhaps in danger of going extinct, and thus Rinpoche began to propagate it? Or do you think perhaps this is the safest Kilaya sadhana for the Western students of his to practice?

This particular Ratna Lingpa sadhana seems to be one of the main Kilaya practices in the Palyul Nyingma lineage, too, from what I've seen.
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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby heart » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:27 pm

Karma Jinpa wrote:Do you know if what he gives now was perhaps in danger of going extinct, and thus Rinpoche began to propagate it? Or do you think perhaps this is the safest Kilaya sadhana for the Western students of his to practice?


I don't think this particular terma is in any danger of going extinct. I don't know what you mean with "safest", Vajrakilaya is not dangerous in any way, my guess is that there is a comfortable short sadhana that fit the mentallity of westeners in this cycle as well as a translation. I am sure there exist several sadhanas of various length in this cycle, there normally is.

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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby KonchokZoepa » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:52 pm

65 pages isnt really that short... but not too long either. takes an hour or so to do it.
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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby Malcolm » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:44 pm

heart wrote:
Karma Jinpa wrote:Do you know if what he gives now was perhaps in danger of going extinct, and thus Rinpoche began to propagate it? Or do you think perhaps this is the safest Kilaya sadhana for the Western students of his to practice?


I don't think this particular terma is in any danger of going extinct. I don't know what you mean with "safest", Vajrakilaya is not dangerous in any way, my guess is that there is a comfortable short sadhana that fit the mentallity of westeners in this cycle as well as a translation. I am sure there exist several sadhanas of various length in this cycle, there normally is.

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Usually people use the short Kilaya sadhana of Sangye Lingpa in conjunction with this tradition.
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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby heart » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:46 pm

KonchokZoepa wrote:65 pages isnt really that short... but not too long either. takes an hour or so to do it.


Well, this one you can do in an half an hour when you are used to doing it, including protectors. http://www.scribd.com/doc/149130531/Puj ... tna-Lingpa

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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby heart » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:47 pm

Malcolm wrote:
heart wrote:
Karma Jinpa wrote:Do you know if what he gives now was perhaps in danger of going extinct, and thus Rinpoche began to propagate it? Or do you think perhaps this is the safest Kilaya sadhana for the Western students of his to practice?


I don't think this particular terma is in any danger of going extinct. I don't know what you mean with "safest", Vajrakilaya is not dangerous in any way, my guess is that there is a comfortable short sadhana that fit the mentallity of westeners in this cycle as well as a translation. I am sure there exist several sadhanas of various length in this cycle, there normally is.

/magnus



Usually people use the short Kilaya sadhana of Sangye Lingpa in conjunction with this tradition.


Ok thanks, you know of any translation?

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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby KonchokZoepa » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:48 pm

heart wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Karma Jinpa wrote:Do you know if what he gives now was perhaps in danger of going extinct, and thus Rinpoche began to propagate it? Or do you think perhaps this is the safest Kilaya sadhana for the Western students of his to practice?


I don't think this particular terma is in any danger of going extinct. I don't know what you mean with "safest", Vajrakilaya is not dangerous in any way, my guess is that there is a comfortable short sadhana that fit the mentallity of westeners in this cycle as well as a translation. I am sure there exist several sadhanas of various length in this cycle, there normally is.

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Usually people use the short Kilaya sadhana of Sangye Lingpa in conjunction with this tradition.



Ok thanks, you know of any translation?

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yeah, im interested in hearing if there is a shorter sadhana that is used in this tradition. would be nice to have a shorter sadhana alongside with the longer sadhana. would make it easier to practice daily.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby Malcolm » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:52 pm

heart wrote:
Ok thanks, you know of any translation?

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Sure, there is a translation used the Palyul folks. This is the main Kilaya tradition of Palyul.
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://www.bhaisajya.guru
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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby KonchokZoepa » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:04 pm

do you know where you can buy or get the sadhana ?
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby Karma Jinpa » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:14 pm

Drikung centers (or those under the spiritual direction of Drupon Thinley Ningpo Rinpoche at least) have included pithy versions of the most frequently practiced yidam sadhanas) between the opening & closing prayers in their prayer booklets. These consist of a two line praise to the deity, the mantra, and then the wish that all beings without exception be established in the state of that particular buddha.

Surely there must be such a pith practice for Vajrakilaya using the same essence mantra as in the P'urpa Yangsang Lamé (phur pa yang gsang bla med) sadhana. I know that there are ones written for Chenrezig, Manjushri, Vajrapani, Green Tara, Medicine Buddha, Vajrasattva, and Amitayus...

I'll look into this :reading:
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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby KonchokZoepa » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:48 pm

let us/me know if you find a concise sadhana of vajrakilaya that fits into this cycle and lineage of Ratna Lingpa. of course translated into english :smile:

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If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby lelopa » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:29 am

heart wrote:Garchen Rinpoche used to give an anuyoga Purbha from the Chokling Tersar the one from Ratna Lingpa that he is giving now is considered a very major Vajrakilaya terma. Vajrakilaya is of the vajra family at least in the sadhana I did many years because Aksobhya is sitting inside his topknot.

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in my practice-text of RatLings Terma it is Amoghasiddhi

there are a few essential Phurpa-sadhanas fe:. Chokyur Lingpa (very short SangThig) Adzom Drugpa as given by ChNN, Ganor Rinpoche, Dudjom Lingpa, etc....
but in some others the main mantra is a little different
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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby heart » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:28 am

lelopa wrote:
heart wrote:Garchen Rinpoche used to give an anuyoga Purbha from the Chokling Tersar the one from Ratna Lingpa that he is giving now is considered a very major Vajrakilaya terma. Vajrakilaya is of the vajra family at least in the sadhana I did many years because Aksobhya is sitting inside his topknot.

/magnus


in my practice-text of RatLings Terma it is Amoghasiddhi

there are a few essential Phurpa-sadhanas fe:. Chokyur Lingpa (very short SangThig) Adzom Drugpa as given by ChNN, Ganor Rinpoche, Dudjom Lingpa, etc....
but in some others the main mantra is a little different


Yes I see, well I guess both are correct. The visualization during the recitation in the ratling sadhana is also quite complicated it seems like. The sangthik purbha is a lot simpler, it is considered an ati sadhana. The one Erik translated is actually the root terma itself, there is an other slightly more elaborated version of the sadhana written by Chokgyur Lingpa's son Tsewang Drakpa also.

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Postby ratna » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:43 am

BTW, there's an unpublished translation, by Ives Waldo, of an extensive commentary by Shechen Gyaltsab on Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya. It used to be available (by e-mail request) on his site, http://www.mountaindev.com (now defunct).

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Postby heart » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:08 pm

ratna wrote:BTW, there's an unpublished translation, by Ives Waldo, of an extensive commentary by Shechen Gyaltsab on Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya. It used to be available (by e-mail request) on his site, http://www.mountaindev.com (now defunct).

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Thanks, I completely forgot about that, will try to track him down. I commentary would indeed be helpful.

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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby KonchokZoepa » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:10 pm

inform us if you find the commentary, i would be interested in it also.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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Re: Garchen giving Ratna Lingpa's Vajrakilaya

Postby KonchokZoepa » Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:41 pm

Ratna, do you happen to have that commentary since you knew about the website ?
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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