Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby Grigoris » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:41 pm

After all this discussion on suitable ingredients etc... I am going to be a party pooper and say that the thing that is of utmost importance is the internal and secret offering. Not that the external offering isn't important, but I find it hard to believe that yogis living in caves in remote areas of Tibet had access to all the necessary physical ingredients all the time, yet they practiced because they did have access to the most important ingredient: their mind.
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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby WeiHan » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:29 pm

Actually, which is the text or which is the reliable source which list out all the substances in Riwo Sangcho.

Riwo Sangcho was given to Lha Tsun by Yeshe Tsogyal and that is the first text for Riwo Sangcho. At the beginning, it only stated "good wood,incense, medicine, white and sweet (substances), clean flour, butter, and so on,..."

So all other substances are really just later addition?

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:32 pm

[quote="Sherab Dorje"

Anyway, i was more referring to the precious metals and stones, sandalwood, silk material, etc.[/quote]

You don't need any of this for Sang offerings.




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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby Grigoris » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:34 pm

Yes... I do believe that is what I said about two posts ago. ;)
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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby pemachophel » Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:57 pm

Riwo Sang-chod can be practiced any time, day or night. I've practiced it with Tibetan Lamas in the late afternoon and in the evening.

"Don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good."

As you say, better to do it at night than not do it at all. And the incense sticks are just fine. As has been said previously, the most important offerings are those you generate by your mind. The physical offerings are only tokens. The main offering is Samantrabhadra (Bodhisatva's) Sky Treasure.

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby miranda » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:03 pm

From what I learned : For Sang puja, Riwo Sang Chö, any good quality tibetan or buthanes sticks is ok if you want to make it small, at home. If you make more elaborate preparation, any kinds of plants which have a good smell or a medicinal quality is ok, various kinds of flours, various types of grains (mix for birds) and are used for food, rice, dal, corn , wheat etc.....mainly white, and 5 colored related are good. Not too much of dark or black seeds, a little but not too much. Gugul,(which is NOT mhyrre) a little also but not too much. Better to use organic and raw products. What is forbiden is animal products (no mater for musk) like eggs, animal fat , so don't use manufactured buscuits . As for 3 white, don't use cheese (frsh or dry) which contains some ferment from animal stomach, only butter, milk, cream, yogoorth is ok. As for sugar , avoid white refined sugar which is made with black bone from animal, we call it here "black animal" which is used to make things white in food industry. Various type of organis sugar, melasse, syrup, are ok. organic honey also.
Natural frankincense, myhrre, benjoin, copal , is very good, you make it a powder and mix with other plants. Better not use ready made mix encenses used for churches or in esoteric shops. Be careful with indian incense , only the top quality, chandan, for exemple is ok , you can broke or cut in small pieces, and mix it . Avoid cheap ,commercial indian stuff which is full of chemical products.
If you want to put 5 colours cloths, use only natural like coton, avoid whool, synthetic, so no kata. which are generally synthetic. As for silk, I don't know, but due to the dead of animal necessary to get it, I avoid to put it in sang.

Don't use prepared sur incense for Riwo Sang Chö because there is some animal fat in it. Keep it in a separate place and use a separate Burning pot. This sur incense you can use during protector offering with regular or specific incense..

Shechen gompa used to sell both kinds of sticks sang and sur at cheap price.

If you burn something for naga puja, don't use any of these, and use a separate pot.

my 2 cents.
Of course for naga puja don't use any of these. And if you get special naga incense, burn it in a different pot.

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby miranda » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:45 am

No , 3 white and 3 sweet are ok for any kind of offerings. For Sur, there is usually fat from animals, that is not appropriate for the Riwo Sang Chö. For exemple the ready made sticks for Sur that is avaible from Shechen Gompa are not to be used for Sang. This is why they distribute also special sticks for Riwo sang cho. Be careful with all these things, and take correct instructions from a competent Lama .

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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby Grigoris » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:20 pm

Which "competent lama" told you that you can use guggul in the riwo sang cho?
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Re: Riwo Sangchod - ingredients question

Postby miranda » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:58 pm

When I asked him if it is ok to use guggul in sang, he said "a little is ok". I came to understand he means very little among several kilos of other regular stuff.


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