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Yudron wrote: How many so-called lamas really unite knowledge, practice, and actual realization and have the personality and character to be a teacher as well?
Kunzang wrote:If I recall correctly, back on e-sangha, Malcolm said that an acquaintance of his had attended a retreat with Namkha Rinpoche who gave a reading transmission of Dudjom's works (I don't recall which Dudjom) and Namkha Rinpoche came across the passage in question and was shocked.
Malcolm wrote:Kunzang wrote:If I recall correctly, back on e-sangha, Malcolm said that an acquaintance of his had attended a retreat with Namkha Rinpoche who gave a reading transmission of Dudjom's works (I don't recall which Dudjom) and Namkha Rinpoche came across the passage in question and was shocked.
This is correct -- this was in 2003 while I was at Merigar and a fellow from the Rigzin Sangha, Konchok, if I myself recall correctly, was attending a retreat at Merigar. He was the one who told me this.
Yudron wrote:...personally I think it's better to leave Ngakpa Chogyam and his students alone.
Malcolm wrote:Yudron wrote:...personally I think it's better to leave Ngakpa Chogyam and his students alone.
I could really care less anymore, I have no interest in hounding them at all. I was merely confirming what was reported.
Yudron wrote:Although I know it's especially tough for genuine students of Ngakpa Yeshe Dorje, and CR Lama, who actually followed their lama's instructions and maintained good samaya with them, personally I think it's better to leave Ngakpa Chogyam and his students alone.
Yudron wrote: or khenpos who have memorized lots of texts but have not brought their practice to completion
dzoki wrote:Yudron wrote: or khenpos who have memorized lots of texts but have not brought their practice to completion
This would still be a very high standard of Khenpo (that is khenpo as the acharya, not the upadhyaya). The present young Khenpos don´t even memorise their texts (true especially in India, not so much in Tibet). If they are good they know which text the quote comes from and maybe they even know the page, but it is very rare that they would know the texts by heart, senior Khenpos still have this, but it will not take long before they disappear.
To the topic: yes it seems that recently there is a surge of tertons in Tibet, who knows how many of them are geunine. There are several tertons teaching outside Tibet too:
Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
Namkha Drime Rinpoche
Zichen Bairo Rinpoche
Yonge Kakhyab Rinpoche (I heard he is a terton, but I don´t have clue what is his terma)
Tsike Chokling Rinpoche
ngodrup wrote:So then for me the question is what if they are authentic?
"False Termas: Reverse Effect of Practice of Some Termas:
The reason contrary and inauspicious results occur when
some Termas are practiced is that there are false discovered
teachings. In particular there are false texts that look like
Terma script, and which are by false Tertons, the rebirths of
wrongly aspiring evil ministers (*) of the ancient time who
have the support of certain demonic spirits as the protectors
of those Termas. Such teachings belong to demonic forces.
By reciting and practicing those false teachings the follower
will move only in the wrong direction.
(* Evil ministers, Dud Ion (bDud Blott): While Guru
Padmasambhava was establishing Buddhism in Tibet until it
reached its peak, many esoteric teachings were concealed
for the future. Powerful but wrongly inspired
ministers, people and spirits made evil aspirations to
corrupt the Terma teachings by discovering false Termas
in the future. That is why false Termas are discovered in
Tibet from time to time as counterparts to the positively
effective and precious Termas.)...
THE REASON WHY NEGATIVE ASPIRATIONS WERE
MADE BY EVIL MINISTERS, ETC.:
Negative aspirations were made by evil ministers in order
to obstruct the enlightened activities of Guru Rinpoche. If
disciples of the profound Termas of Guru Rinpoche who
have the desire to achieve supreme attainment are fooled
into mistaking these false teachings for pure teachings, and
if they practice them, it will cause the decline of their
fortunes, their life, and so on. If any short-sighted people
who have no desire to attain a perpetual goal (enlightenment)
should practice these false teachings, then for the
time being it might seem to be helpful for increasing life,
majesty and the power of speech, but (eventually) those
teachings will become a cause of samsara and hell for them."
-Hidden teachings of Tibet: An explanation of the Terma
tradition of Tibetan Buddhism, Wisdom Publications,
1986, 1997 by Tulku Thondup Rinpoche, disciple of
Dodrupchen Rinpoche & Chimed Rigzin Rinpoche
username wrote:As the Tulku Thondup's passage shows, major fake tertons do not make up their terma. It is channeled by demonic beings who are the major enemies of Guru Rinpoche.
There are also ordinary teachings such as psychic vision teachings (Nyams sNang or Nyams Ch'os) which are similar in nature to the Terma liturgical texts and have not been empowered by demonic forces. If one practices them they will not have much effect, neither good nor bad. It is extremely important to examine very carefully since it is difficult to distinguish the pure from the false teachings, and one should follow a teaching that is authentic. (Dodrup Chen Rinpoche: Wonder Ocean, in: Tulku Thondup: Hidden Teachings of Tibet, p.156)
username wrote:These are not made up fantasies but actual events for those major fake tertons warned against.