Knotty Veneer wrote:
Karma Dorje wrote:
OK. I don't have any allegiances to anyone. I am quite content to view both candidates as Karmapa until it is established otherwise. In fact, I haven't read anything on the issue aside from what has been here and on various websites and this book is sort of a first step in looking at them. It seems kind of odd that zany Tibetan politics also play out amongst Western practitioners. Everyone kind of expects Tibetan feudal politics to take place, but what's in it for Westerners? It's not even two different schools at issue. Very strange.
Well to be honest, I don't think any one candidate will come to be accepted by all at this point (unless his rival steps down voluntarily). Most Kagyupas seem to end up following the candidate preferred by their teacher.
In addition to Wong's book, you might also like to read The Dance of 17 Lives by Mick Brown. I think it comes closest to an impartial account of the Karmapa controversy - in that Brown is not a Buddhist. It also the best written of the several books on this topic. He does seem to come out in favor of Ogyen Thinley which has led to cries of bias from Thaye Dorje's camp but you can decide for yourself whether that is true or not.
Thank you. I will definitely pick up a copy to read alongside this. It sounds like as most things in life and almost everything in Dharma, the truth lies somewhere in the middle!
My guru was ordained by the 16th Karmapa, but after his parinirvana he wanted nothing to do with all of the controversy and we focused on Nyingma lineage holders that were above all of this. Consequently, I have much appreciation for the extensive teachings we received from the Kagyu lineage but I have never felt it necessary to take sides. Every time I read the lineage prayer, both Situpa and Shamarpa are included so I don't know how I could side with one or the other. Regardless of who they were in their past lives, both candidates seem to be holy lamas full of good qualities. I am certain beings will benefit regardless which of them they encounter.