Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby heart » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:45 pm

JKhedrup wrote:Is there any word on when Mingyur Rinpoche may start teaching again?


When his retreat is finished, tentatively next autumn.

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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby WuMing » Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:11 pm

Mingyur Rinpoche is currently on an extended solitary retreat in the Himalayas. In truth, no one knows exactly where he is. In the tradition of the great meditation masters of times past, he is wandering freely with no fixed plan or agenda. His only companions are an unswerving commitment to the path of awakening and a heartfelt desire to benefit others. Throughout this period, he will likely be spending his time meditating in caves and hermitages in remote places. Meanwhile, the Tergar Meditation Community continues to thrive in his absence. Tergar lamas and instructors are holding meditation workshops and retreats around the world (including online) and there are many groups and centers that continue to follow his teachings. We expect Rinpoche to return in late 2014 or early 2015.The letter above was received in November, 2012.


source: http://learning.tergar.org/2012/11/29/m ... at-letter/
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby Karma Jinpa » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:37 am

practitioner wrote:http://kagyu.com/en/dharma-path

Lama Norlha Rinpoche's dharma path program contains all the practices of the 3 year retreat and is designed for students who cannot go for a 3-year retreat or aspire to do one in the future. Obviously it takes longer than three years to complete.


This seems to be an amazing program ideal for those of us who sincerely aspire to progressing upon the path, but lack the $25k and the chunk of time needed for 3 year retreat (for the moment, at least). Lama Norlha has done Kagyupas a great service by tailoring a Lamrim to the needs of students and making it available for a paltry $150 registration fee.
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I'd like to point out is that the above link is broken and/or defunct. This one works for me:
http://kagyu.com/dharma-path

Also, for anyone in the Miami area of South Florida, one of Lama Norlha's students---Lama Karma Chötsö---resides and has a Dharma center in the Miami suburb of El Portal. I'm sure she'd be a good contact to have in reference to the Dharma Path program. From my experience, she is very accommodating and kind.

http://kagyu-sfla.org/


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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby KonchokZoepa » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:51 am

does anyone know the content of this program, i am very interested.
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby conebeckham » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:17 pm

You should e-mail them for the details. I'm guessing Ngondro will be the main practice for the first few years. Lojong DonDunMa, Shamatha/Vipassana/Mahamudra practice, Guru Yoga(s), and Three Roots practices will come later. Possibly Six Yogas, though normally one has to go into some sort of sealed retreat in order to learn and practice this.
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby KonchokZoepa » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:09 pm

ok thanks, i contacted them. :smile:
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby smcj » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:11 pm

This seems to be an amazing program ideal for those of us who sincerely aspire to progressing upon the path, but lack the $25k and the chunk of time needed for 3 year retreat (for the moment, at least). Lama Norlha has done Kagyupas a great service by tailoring a Lamrim to the needs of students and making it available for a paltry $150 registration fee.

Plus you get to sleep in a bed*, decide your own meals, and are free of the risk of potentially being cooped up for years with one or more irritating personalities. Who needs a Pure Land? It's Dewachen!




*In Lama Norlha's retreats they still sleep sitting up in their "meditation box". :jawdrop:
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby conebeckham » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:18 pm

Yep--that's the tradition....sleep sitting up. Actually, there's a bit of "leaning back."
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby smcj » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:30 pm

conebeckham wrote:Yep--that's the tradition....sleep sitting up. Actually, there's a bit of "leaning back."

I don't want to discourage anybody from doing Kagyu practice, but in Nyingma retreats they get to sleep in a bed.
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby conebeckham » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:08 am

Sure! I hear there are even some co-ed retreats in the Nyingma world, something I've not heard of in KagyuVille thus far. Those Nyingmapas are just more relaxed than we uptight (and upright!) Kagyupas, I guess.....
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby smcj » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:13 am

conebeckham wrote:Sure! I hear there are even some co-ed retreats in the Nyingma world, something I've not heard of in KagyuVille thus far. Those Nyingmapas are just more relaxed than we uptight (and upright!) Kagyupas, I guess.....

Generally yes, but I've not heard of them offering the 3 year retreat program outside of retreat like Lama Norlha has. Now that's relaxed! :woohoo:
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby conebeckham » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:14 am

Many Nyingmapas teach their entire path, soup to nuts, outside of a three year retreat. So do the Sakyapas, actually.

Or so I've understood.
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby smcj » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:27 am

conebeckham wrote:Many Nyingmapas teach their entire path, soup to nuts, outside of a three year retreat. So do the Sakyapas, actually.

Or so I've understood.

Hate to say it, but this thread isn't helping with the marketing of Kagyu practice a whole lot.
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby conebeckham » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:43 am

That's okay!
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby conebeckham » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:49 am

Palyul has their summer retreat and "Buddha in the Palm of One's Hand" program. Sakyapas teach Lamdre lobshay in a retreat setting. Mingyur Rinpoche, Situ Rinpoche, and most recently (next month) Khenpo Donyo all have graduated programs, taught in shorter retreats. So, there are options.
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby conebeckham » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:57 am

Actually, while I think of it, Khenpo Donyo's program, via Lama Michael Conklin's center in Portland, is a great option for those who want a complete path but can't commit to three year retreat. It's five years of graduated teaching and practice. I think there are some shorter retreat commitments; definitely some practice commitments....and it starts next month.
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby smcj » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:07 am

conebeckham wrote:Actually, while I think of it, Khenpo Donyo's program, via Lama Michael Conklin's center in Portland, is a great option for those who want a complete path but can't commit to three year retreat. It's five years of graduated teaching and practice. I think there are some shorter retreat commitments; definitely some practice commitments....and it starts next month.

While we're on the subject, doesn't Sukasiddhi in Marin have something akin to that for the Shangpa Kagyu? They seem very generous with their teachings from what little I know of them.
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby conebeckham » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:13 am

They do teach quite a bit of Shangpa stuff outside of retreat, from what I understand...but again, there are commitments to ongoing study. Which, frankly, is as it should be, IMO.

It should be no secret that I support retreat practice, in general, and the transmission of the more advanced practices in that context. If you're not got going to hit the cushion, HARD, there's no sense in learning some of this stuff...
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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby KonchokZoepa » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:36 pm

i think its quite hard to hit the cushion hard if your NOT on a retreat.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

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Re: Accessibility of Karma Kagyu trad. without 3 yr.retreat

Postby SuryaMitra » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:49 pm

I think the accessibility depends of several factors, such us :
1) Karma
2) Effort & motivation
3) Place where you live, (that might also be karma)
4) Your own maturity
5) Your priorities

In general, it also depend of which Karmapa you are following and then, what organization you are associated with ...
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